## Friday, December 2

### In search of Compassion

Guys I know I have spoken about Death Penalty last week, but this is to inform that Tuong Van Nguyen was executed this morning at a Changi prison 6am Singapore time (9am Aus time). I couldn't help but write this post for the injustice against humanity that was carried out this morning (leaving aside the fact that he was a criminal).

I don't know Van at all, but I have Compassion for him...and I know what Love is...it's not about I, ME and MYSELF...it's about YOU too. It's about learning to forgive others and allowing people to change. It's about having faith and trust in a young person to change...to do something good some day...to give him a chance. It's not about Revenge! Van's lawyer said that Van had immensely changed in his prison time, became a devoted Catholic and was prepared to die without blaming anyone for his fate. He had a troubled story behind him too (the 2 boys above are Van and his twin brother in childhood)...just like all of us have a story to tell, but now who was willing to listen to his story? No one. He carried drugs once in his life, so let's all get together and kil him?? Van's execution showed how little mankind has changed from the olden days where people were beheaded and the punishment didn't even fit the crimes. Man is still very evil and when I read some comments in the newspapers that supported his execution, I was shocked at how heartless some people can be. But at the same time churches around Australia and hundreds of people were keeping candlelight vigils for Van in the past few days leading upto his final minute on this Earth - that showed that alot of people have real Compassion in them too. I was at peace knowing that.

I know Van did something wrong and he had to go by the Singaporean law, but don't we ever make mistakes in our lives? And killing Van wont give him time to repent, neither will it stop the drug business. The man who doesn't choose drugs will never do drugs...the man who chooses drugs, will always do drugs, irrespective of Van's death. And the drug addicts, please don't blame it on Van...if you chose to take drugs, then it's your fault too. Where there is Demand there will be supply. While I don't condone Van's crime of carrying drugs, I don't condone the brutal execution either. And for those who say that he was about to ruin millions of other lives with drugs, please think twice...like I said before without demand there won't be supply. And those who take drugs are doing a crime too...what about their mistakes - do they get death penalty too? One way or the other, it's very easy to blame others but yourself. In a so-called civilised world today, where is Compassion or are we all just putting on an act of Love and Compassion while inside we are really evil? Ask yourselves that question. Where is dignity for human life? And to hang a man is a disgustingly cold-blooded thing to do!

I walked into my office this morning feeling horrible and helpless 'cos someone was being hanged while I went about doing my normal thing...that the world watched on and that there was absoultely nothing that could be done to help Van! Shame on you people who killed him...look into your hearts and search for Compassion...it's a huge mistake you made, much more worse than what Van made. 'Cos what you did will come back to haunt you. You all lack Compassion...find it before you lose yourself in anger, revenge and sheer evil. I couldn't sleep last night...it was disgusting and heartbreaking to see that Van still went to the gallows and no one in this big wide so-called beautiful world could stop it. Capital Punshiment should be eradicated in Memory of people like Van. Please don't think I'm making a martyr out of a criminal - this is about Human Life irrespective of what kind of mistakes he made. We can't allow calculated MURDER to take place whether by law or not. That's not quality justice..it's just economical and barbaric!

I know that I will fight against death penalty no matter what...I have already been in touch with
Amnesty even before Van's death and many more barbaric deaths, and I want to see that the world has nothing called Death Penalty in future, even if that takes many years to achieve. If you are with me on this, please help mankind know what true Compassion is before it disappears from the face of this Earth amidst violence and revenge. It won't do anything for mankind, but death and destruction. Is this the way we want to guide our children's conscience? How sad. Please get in touch with Amnesty and help to eradicate barbaric practices from this world.

Atleast now Van has been set free of evil men who thought his life was nothing and less valuable than their's. He will be forgiven and loved again. May he find that Compassion in God's loving arms...

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Keshi said...

In his last letter to his devastated mother, he wrote this:

With aching comprehension I come to terms with the loss I feel without mum,"

"I have begun to learn the true meaning of life.

"In a place ravaged by fear and haunts I have found hope. I have discovered purpose."

-Van Nguyen

Jay said...

Keshi, do you know that he committed the crime in other country? Singapore is not your country but it is my neighbor country at which my grandmom and many other relatives are still the citizen of it.

It is so unfair for non-Singaporean and non-Malaysian to judge the way we treat drug dealers or runners in our countries.

ALL drug dealers worldwide know that Malaysia and Singapore put death penalty for drug dealers, so why bother coming to our countries with those illegal thing? Besides, since he was in Singapore, where you think he will distribute the drugs?

HE WILL KILL OUR NATIONMEN AND WOMEN. And we don’t welcome that.

Singapore is less than 1 KM from Malaysia vise versa, and we will hang anybody who attempt to smuggle or distribute drugs in our country!

I pray to the lord to show his mercy to Nguyen Tuong Van and Michael McAuliffe but I like to warn Australian for not coming here or Singapore with drugs or you will see the hang rope circling your neck.

It is not easy for our governments to deal with drug addicts in our countries, but if we could stop the dealers, THE BUYING WILL STOP!

Both Singapore and Malaysia have spent billion of dollars for drug rehab centers and we do not wish to use up our tax monies for that.

Again, if any of you don’t want to DIE in our countries, do not come here with drugs.

Jay – The Citizen of Malaysia and Permanent Resident of Singapore.

saby said...

DAMN U Keshi

u cant be first on your own bloggy

saby said...

Dont cry for the criminials
save yr tears for the victims

saby said...

VIVA JAY !

and Jaya HIND
we too hang rapists and assorted guys

Vivhyd said...

well I read about this.. I thought it was too harsh.. and lately there have 2-3 death penalties in the US.. infact just few hours ago, one of them was announced thgh for much more heinous crime.. kidnap, rap and death I think.. hmm

saby said...

Goa has been invaded by paedophiles
but our police cant nail the guys in court

we need Julio Ribeiro to kill the bastards in encounter killing

saby said...

[first lines] Bonasera: I believe in America. America has made my fortune. And I raised my daughter in the American fashion. I gave her freedom, but I taught her never to dishonor her family. She found a boyfriend; not an Italian. She went to the movies with him; she stayed out late. I didn't protest. Two months ago, he took her for a drive, with another boyfriend. They made her drink whiskey. And then they tried to take advantage of her. She resisted. She kept her honor. So they beat her, like an animal. When I went to the hospital, her nose was a'broken. Her jaw was a'shattered, held together by wire. She couldn't even weep because of the pain. But I wept. Why did I weep? She was the light of my life beautiful girl. Now she will never be beautiful again. I went to the police, like a good American. These two boys were brought to trial. The judge sentenced them to three years in prison - suspended sentence. Suspended sentence! They went free that very day! I stood in the courtroom like a fool. And those two bastards, they smiled at me. Then I said to my wife, for justice, we must go to Don Corleone.

saby said...

Amnesty International and Human Rights Group are very often paid stooges of the USA

they dont pay wid cash but wid fringe benefits

in INDIA these stooges crusade against child labour

they are doing dis bcoz American economy is suffering bcoz of low cost goods and services from India and China

USA is the first violator of WTO Charter and the prime contributer to destroying the Environment

they are only doing wat is good for America and american interests

they supped wid Pakistan all along only now they have been hit bcoz of pakisatan harbouring Al Qaida

which resulted in Twinn Towers and assorted hits

saby said...

Keshi ??

another american stooge?

saby said...

the 2 beeg contributors to the USA economy

Drugs and Pharma
thrives on sickness and disease

THE ARMAMENTS INDUSTRY
thrives on wars in other parts of the world

the arms race btw india pakistan

they sold F16's to both cuntries

saby said...

laffing all the way to the bank

saby said...

Businees is the same in any industry

create a demand and sell

saby said...

Michael: My father is no different than any powerful man, any man with power, like a president or senator.

Kay Adams: Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? Presidents and senators don't have men killed.

Michael: Oh. Who's being naive, Kay

saby said...

saby said...

the IT crowd here (the punks)eat at Mc Donalds and guzzle Coke instead of Nariyal Paani and Nimbu pani and Vada Paav

lissen to the Mahatma

saby said...

the vada paav vendor is being deprived of his livelihood

The Mahatma cries

4u2nvau/Rohit said...

OH mate it was bad yesterday the radio stations and tv channels wouldn't stop talking bout him.

I just felt this deep pain in my heart, not for him, but for his mother she looked so tired and defeated.

Personally I don't think drug dealers are solely responsible for people dying coz of taking drugs. People taking those drugs are also to be blamed for. Van Nguyen deserved a life sentence, not a death penalty.

Jewel Rays said...

Read the article this morning. Front page.

i just have one thing to say after reading ya post.

"OUCH!"

Keshi, you've got a great heart.

All of us make mistakes and are spared
Some of us make mistakes and are found out to be declared pest
Yet who has the right to judge anyone and pass a statement on his last breath?

Something that forces me to sit down and think about what happened at this place whrere iam living now.

Het Waghela said...

Hi Keshi,
Its not that I like brutal killing, but I am also not against punishment. If u are interested in indian mythology, in Mahabharat or Ramayan, killing of Duryodhan and other Kaurav's were quite brutal. If he was forgiven then today's scene of world could have been different. Coz before doing something wrong, Van or criminal is well aware of the consequences. Its like if I do something wrong and then I become totally God-fearing person and expect grant from my punishment then its wrong.
This are my views.

niki yokota said...

ewwww~ my heart is paining after seeing this pic of cute lil boys
(T_T)
we dont even see this news on tv. thanks for all latest news!!
my prayers with u...

Ash said...

hey kesh .....
i wonder when i could say first,...on ur blog ..

good morning .....

between 3+1 is my dad, mom and bro(my 3 sweet hearts) + my sweet heart .

will come back and read the post in peace ...in a hurry now ...

cya ....

uttara said...

hey keshiiiiiiiii

mez here na to put a smile on ur face ...

uttara

sittingnut said...

this is about Human Life irrespective of what kind of mistakes he made. We can't allow calculated MURDER to take place whether by law or not. That's not quality justice..it's just economical and barbaric!.....Atleast now Van has been set free of evil men who thought his life was nothing and less valuable than their's-
well said!

as i said in the original death penalty post i totally agree with you here.

when will ppl understand that,
justice is not revenge,
murdering criminals will not bring down the crime rate,
even if it does(or allow us to fool ourselves it does),this kind of killing, will only make us equal to ppl who murder in order to benefit from it.

as for ppl who say that is their countries law and others should not interfere, i will say we all of us belong to the same family whether you like it or not.- you, us, and the criminal.

keshi never give up. you are doing a world of good by postings like this.

PuNeEt said...

My speed currently is like Indian railways...
backlog of one post...

replied to ur earlier post...
will come back on this during the weekend...

have a great time

Cheers

Keshi said...

***Jay

I fully understand that he is a criminal and that Singapore has it's own law. But just as much as u support Death Penalty, I detest it.

**It is so unfair for non-Singaporean and non-Malaysian to judge the way we treat drug dealers or runners in our countries....

u r talking about a country's self-induced laws being judged...what about a human life's value being judged by an age-old, ineffective and barabric law? It's not abt a country's laws Im talking abt in this post...it's abt Human Rights...compassion...not degrading urself to the criminals' levels. Abt not using Death Penalty to boost self-image.

**HE WILL KILL OUR NATIONMEN AND WOMEN

Who killed who today? This is solid proof than what would have happened in the future. Maybe no one would have died if Van was still alive...maybe he would have turned out to be a better person. And do u honestly think that all drug addicts will stop their habits now that Van is dead??

**but I like to warn Australian for not coming here or Singapore with drugs

It's not Aus that came there with drugs..it's Van. I think it's wise not to blame a whole country for one man's deeds. Cos alot of other countrymen come into Aus with drugs too butAus don't point fingers at those countries. They punish them in jail terms and that's it.

**but if we could stop the dealers, THE BUYING WILL STOP!

hehe..Van was suppsedly only a carrier. If he lived, he would have told the main dealers' details.
And na it wont stop...as long as the demand is there, the supply will also be there. Think abt ppl who take drugs...they r at fault too.

Jay u have taken this post personally :) It was nothing against Singapore. It was purely against Death Penalty, and u still failed to tell me anything abt Compassion.

Thanks anyways!

Keshi.

Keshi said...

***Het

hellooo :)

I know...punishment should prevail or else how can we stop crime? But d u honestly believe in death penalty?

** Its like if I do something wrong and then I become totally God-fearing person and expect grant from my punishment then its wrong.

Why is it wrong? May be u really changed from a bad person to a good person. Im not telling that u walk out scott-free, but perhaps u need that 'chance' to live and repent?? Why don't ppl have hope and faith in ppl anymore?

Keshi.

The Zuzupilanian said...

very nice post

Keshi said...

**NV

Yes the grief and the trauma in streets here was amazing...I was glad to see that alot of ppl really thought it was a very cruel and out-dated punishment.

**People taking those drugs are also to be blamed for.

THANKS MATE! This is exactly what I'm trying to tell ppl and I guess not many umderstand me. Atleast u do.

Keshi.

Keshi said...

***My_Unveilings

Thank u so much. U being from Singapore, it was so good to hear such an open-minded and unbiased comment abt this.

**Yet who has the right to judge anyone and pass a statement on his last breath?

Spot on! Who are we to judge anyone and especially to claim another's life?

I wish everyone had ur wisdom...

Keshi.

Keshi said...

***Niki

hey thanks muahhhhhhhh!

**Ash

Hey thanks for that info...now I get it :) family ofcourse hehehe...

take ur time on this post girl..no worries..

**Uttara

thanks muahhhhhhhhhh and Hugggggggggz! U always make me feel good...thanks God for U! Luv u too much...now u tc ok.

**Puneet

No worries mate...come back when u have time :)

***zuzupilanian

Hey WC to my blog and thanks!

Keshi.

Keshi said...

***Sittingnut

Thanks so much for being with me on this...I really appreciate ur thoughts.

**when will ppl understand that,
justice is not revenge..

Im sick of trying to convey that msg but not many seem to get it...

**this kind of killing, will only make us equal to ppl who murder in order to benefit from it.

Exactly my point!
How can u even grant them a thing called last meal? As if what he eats gets a chance to digest! DISGUSTING! I puke at that thought of a last meal...

**as for ppl who say that is their countries law and others should not interfere, i will say we all of us belong to the same family whether you like it or not.- you, us, and the criminal.

SO RIGHT! Human family...not human-animal family. Ppl think they can so righteously point fingers at others when they themselves are behaving like barbarians. Did I say LIKE...no they ARE barabarians.

Thanks mate!
Keshi.

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

hi keshi

am back dear ... have 2 more of ur posts to catch up w/

Keshi said...

**Dont cry for the criminials
save yr tears for the victims

Saby by victimes d u mean the drug addicts? While I do feel sorry for them too, who asked them to buy drugs? Did the supplier go knocking on their doors? NO! So dun just find a person to blame for their own mistakes. Where there is Demand there is Supply. In those terms, both are at fault.

Saby u have no idea abt Compassion cos u dun even feel it for ppl who come here to comment...so plz say something valid or keep quiet.

Keshi.

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

abt this hanging ....

tell me this ... what sentence would u give to a rapists ??

if u were the victim , would u ever be able to forgive him ???

similarly .,
suppose ur family was destroyed because of this drug dealer , would u ever be able to forgive him ??

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

forgiveness and compassion are the virtues we need to have , but we dont ...

but by forgiving a criminal , aren't we doing more harm to all our fellow beings ??

Keshi said...

***Deepa

Hey WC girl muahhhhhhhh! So glad to see u!!

**what sentence would u give to a rapists ??

Life sentence...

**if u were the victim , would u ever be able to forgive him ???

I wont be able to forget...but I will forgive...somehow I will. But he should repent from a life sentence...not death. He should feel every bit of the crime he committed...he should lose all his freedom for life and become a better person and die in prison...and when he dies, he would have really repented it and known what how much life he really missed.

**suppose ur family was destroyed because of this drug dealer , would u ever be able to forgive him ??

lol Deepa how can i blame the dealer for my famly's mistakes? If I went and drank alcohol all my life and died of it, would I blame the alcohol dealer?

**forgiveness and compassion are the virtues we need to have , but we dont ...

some ppl have it and I have seen and heard them...it's just that not all have it :)

**but by forgiving a criminal , aren't we doing more harm to all our fellow beings ??

harm as in? that's if we let them out Deepa.
By killing them, are we doing any good either?

Keshi.

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

actually , many a time , i thought like you ...

as in why go easy on a criminal by giving him a death sentence instead of a life sentence ...

but u know , if u wanna teach all those criminals around that u are gonna put ur foot down on crime , mayb death sentence is the only way ...
coz i feel the only thing criminals are scared of is death ....

and supposing a 75yr old man is given a life sentence for all the crimes he did in his lifetime, whatz the use ??

Caraf said...

oh phew
Kesh someone left a comment on saby's blogsaying yourblog was deleted!!!

HEY whatever happens dont go off into the night without leaving an email address or something ok?

Well Keshi,
I've seen here a mixed thoughts for death penality...Death Penalty!! It's a very sensitive topic to discuss with..
Sincerely..I'm against death penalty..Human killing another human..I don't talk about any territories or countries...
Criminal should be punished..right in a different way...otherthan death penalty..That's it..Ended the discussion in a simple manner..lol

take care

Het Waghela said...

U r right death penalty is not the ultimate punishment. But main reason for death penalty is "may be" to set an example for other "to be" criminals. I know it never stops any new criminal to do a crime. But see these days its not like it used to be.
Its like "Sau choohe maar kar billi chali haj ko".
Chance is given to people to improve, but then there are different laws in every country and thats what Van has to abide to.
If he would have done it in India, and not caught or he would have been arrested and was jailed for few years, what would have been our reaction then? Again he will come out and will be more comfortable with criminals in India and start some Gangs or something. Thats how so many criminal tribes errupting in India from across the border.

icyblue said...

Hi keshi :)

I feel there are 2 ways to look at this situation

(1) He is given the worst punishment for the crimes he has committed.
He has destroyed many people's lives.

(2) If given life-sentence, there is a probabilty that he might escape and commit the same crimes again.

So looking at it from those 2 perspectives it seems fair..

Have a great weekend!

Cheers!

tulipspeaks said...

no matter how much you feel compassion about it

it is not going to change the fact that the law do not have feelings and s'pore will never change its strict law..it is just not going to happen..believe me, i know s'pore better than anyone here and their law is to stay

btwn, i know how emotional you can be..hugsss baby

=am000nie=

Sudeep said...

Crime should be wiped out n not the criminals

Ajay said...

hey u have a collection of cute pics

Akruti said...

I am getting in touch with Amnesty.If death was the only punishment for such crimes then most of the death penalities would also be from India.I wont say forget,But yes, there need to be compassion.How can you take a life when you cannot give a lifeback? this applies to both criminals and justice.

southpaw said...

Since last time we agreed on a disagreement, i wont say anything on this coz u know what my views are...:)

musings (m000nie) said...

i totally agree with u keshi...

johnny boy said...

Hey kesh...
I dont think this is the right time to argue abt anything. Your post sounded really emotional, and i know u are just that.. I can understand.. I hope n pray that his soul rests in peace, thts the best we can do...
Wanted to convey this - The execution of Van was given so much publicity, and thus it has come to everyone's notice... But like this, there are millions of ppl dying... I don think its fair to jus pick a few up from here and there, and show our compassion. If justice is to be served, each n everyone deserves it.. But sadly, out of 100, 1 case of execution gets publicity and the world expresses their condolence to the family involed.. While the remaining 99, whose fate is no different, go unnoticed.. Not fair, is it? Sad....
[This has nothin to do with the argument about the common sense behind capital punishment.. One particular thot jus crossed my mind, and thus i penned it down]
get back to old ways soon.. Life goes on..
Take care Kesh..

saby said...

http://imnutsincaps.blogspot.com/2005/12/dis-is-for-wud-be-moms-and-dat-dumbass.html

saby said...

, father forgive dem
for they no not wat they do
,

=Jesus on the cross

forgiveness means absolution
it done mean they wont pay for their karma

same in confession

saby said...

Tom Hagen: [after finding out Tessio sold Michael out] Tessio. I always thought it would be Clemenza.

Michael: It's the smart move. Tessio was always smarter.

Tessio: [realizing that Michael knows he was the traitor] Tom. Can you get me off the hook? You know, for old times sake?

Tom Hagen: [shakes his head] Can't do it, Sally.

saby said...

dat was from the movie GODFATHER

Jithu said...

somehow i cant subscribe to the concept of no capital punishment. it will definitely result in more number of murders as people realize that they wont lose their lives even if they kill someone. this will lead to the other extreme of barbarianism. so mabbe capital punishment in that sense reduces the number of crimes. capital punishment for non-murder crimes (like drug deal) is a different thing, whihc i agree..

Keshi said...

***Caraf

Hey sweety dun go listen to the annonymous asses..hehe...but thanks for ur concern dear and ofcourse I'll drop u an email soon so u'll have my contacts...huggggggz!

Keshi.

Keshi said...

Hello matey :) thanks for ur compassionate views on this topic...

**..I'm against death penalty..Human killing another human..I don't talk about any territories or countries...

Thank u soooo much for making good sense...ppl need to realise that killing a human is absolutely animalistic and downright UGLY.

yes it's not abt countries or boundaries...human rights are the same everywhere in the world...some ppl dont even u'stand that and I mean presidents and PMs of countries...it's a shame that such ppl make huge mistakes like this.

Thanks for confirming that there r more sensible ppl out there...

Keshi.

Keshi said...

***Het

I know wut u mean...it's sort of a dettrent for some people like us - for ppl who will never do crime :) But for real criminals it will never be a detterent co they will commit crimes anyways.

**Again he will come out and will be more comfortable with criminals in India and start some Gangs or something.

Why dun we have faith in the opposite possibilites? Such as that he might really turn out to be someone better, not in the outside world, but in the jail?

Keshi.

saby said...

dream on

.

saby said...

why shud taxpayers pay to feed him in jail and keep him comfy

lissen to Jay

Keshi said...

***IcyBlue

Heyy girl :)

**1) He is given the worst punishment for the crimes he has committed.
**He has destroyed many people's lives.

This was his first crime ever Icy. Besides like I said in my post, those drug addicts out there, who asked them to take drugs? It's their fault too. I have probs too (real ugly ones) but I didnt choose drugs did I? maybe cos my parents guided me the right way...mebbe becos I worked hard to survive even amidst my probs...

***(2) If given life-sentence, there is a probabilty that he might escape and commit the same crimes again.

this is what I dun u'stand...cos how do we know what he'll turn out to be later in life w.o. even giving him a chance in prison? this wasnt the 2nd time or the 3rd time, it was his 1st crime ever. Why r we all so judgemental just becos he made one seriously foolish mistake? What abt thinking in terms of positivity...that good qualities can be grown in ppl who went the wrong way?

** looking at it from those 2
perspectives it seems fair..

Death is never fair...cos it is an empty punishment both in terms of the victim as well as the criminal. And for those who execute him, they r the ones who going to suffer he most some day..

Thanks for ur views Icy...I guess alot of ppl have different thoughts on this....as Gangadhar said its a very sensitive issue...:) so best to agree to disagree hehehe...thanks!

Hugggggz!
Keshi.

Keshi said...

**taxpayers paying jail expenses...

Saby u dont know ur facts at all...as usual It is much more expensive to maintain the death penalty..it costs millions. did u even read my prev post and the link given? NO duhhh! U dream on.

Keshi.

Keshi said...

***Amu

heyyy hugggz!

**it is not going to change the fact that the law do not have feelings and s'pore will never change its strict law..

no it will some day...:) we cant not have hope in humanity...alot of countries abolished the death penalty even if that took many years...the whole of Europe wiped that law off...so why woukd Singapore remain to be so out-dated, inhuman and ineffectual with their laws? They too will realise it soon cos if u didnt know they are already considering an appeal seriously with the Amnesty and the IC involved...only that it was too late for Van :)

Thanks!
Keshi.

saby said...

so best to agree to disagree hehehe

DUMMY !
dis is no laffing matter

JAY will kill u

Keshi said...

***Sudeep

**Crime should be wiped out n not the criminals

THNAK U MATEY for making a very valid and the most sensible statement ever! I only wish many ppl who support death penalty will read ur line...

***Ajay

Thanks :)

Keshi.

saby said...

if i dont

Keshi said...

***Akruti

Thanks for getting in touch with the Amnesty...we need more ppl who think like u...cos this world is full of hatred and revenge...

**I wont say forget,But yes, there need to be compassion

THANK U! No one even paid attention to Compassion...which was the main topic in this post :) It's sad how most ppl avoid the positive thoughts and stick to the hatred and revenge bits...it's like an addiction to negativity...

Thnaks for ur kind thoughts...
Keshi

saby said...

hehehe

Keshi said...

***Southpaw

No probs matey :) thanks! Hope u r keeping well...

**Musings

m000nie i know u r th emost compassionate person I ever met on the net...u have a heart of gold...thanks!

Keshi.

Keshi said...

***JohnnyBoy

Hey thanks :) I still rem ur thoughts from the prev post.

** don think its fair to jus pick a few up from here and there, and show our compassion

nope Im not just picking this guy and showing compassion...but Van's case was indee dpublicised than more than anyone else's...thats a fact that we cant avoid...so it's at times like this only that ppl can try to get across a message abt Compassion...cos the case is famous.

Like Van, all deathrow prisoners need compassion Johnny...

Thanks for ur thoughths :)
Keshi.

saby said...

Compassion is sought by whiners and children

a man dont beg
he dies wid his boots on

Keshi said...

Saby I dun care if Jay or u or anyone kills me...it's a sad world anyways...killing is approved by so many so what's the big deal. It's just an evil world.

Keshi.

Keshi said...

Amu hey I forgot to say...:) hehe not becos Im emotional that I do this..its cos Im human.

Keshi.

Keshi said...

**Compassion is sought by whiners and children

What God do u know? LOL what a joke u preach so much abt Jesus!
Don't forget He was put on the cross by some law-makers too.

Anyways bye!
Keshi.

saby said...

jesus was a macho man

He didnt whine
Fe didnt beg for mercy

Keshi said...

***Jithu

Thanks for ur views...and hello I found ya :)

**so mabbe capital punishment in that sense reduces the number of crimes.

I dun agree with this only cos I know that the real criminal will do his crimes anyways. It is only a detterent for sane ppl like u and me...we dun do crimes anyway so whats the point :)

yes..for brutal murder/rape - it's understandable that death penalty is wished for such criminals (even tho I still dun approve of killing anyone)...but DEATH for a 1st time drug offense like Van's???? ITS RIDICULOUS!!!

Thanks matey..

Keshi.

Keshi said...

oh cut it Saby - u r begging for clemency each time for ur big fat ego, by some super-sounding theory...nothing justifies what u say anyways.

~~Nguyen is thought to have carried rosary beads, and walked without shackles from his cell to the gallows. (Ninemsn NEWS)

Atleast he was brave and was ready to die...and died a true Chritsian cos he stated he found Hope in a place filled with fear and haunts. He didnt beg or cry. Not as much as his killers cried for a boost of image.

Keshi.

Keshi said...

And that image was pathetic actually. Barbaric.

Keshi.

saby said...

u guys talk like babies
Van shud have died like a man

not as a weeping child

Keshi said...

Saby u understand English? lol he died like a man. His lawyer stated he was very courageous and all ready to go. He even wrote a letter to the President of Sing to say that he accepted his mistake and he's ready to abide by the law...he didnt beg for clemency, his lawyers did. So dun talk w.o. knwoing ur facts.

And it's very easy for ppl to say that death penalty is great blah blah blah, but one has to really witness another man being hanged to even imagine how cruel it is. Those who say killing another is ok, have u even witnessed a love-one dying? I guess not. The lawyers for Ryan (another Aussie killed in Sing) said that when they watched his hanging, it was too horrible that they will never forget it until the day they die...

it's cold-blooded and calculated murder in the name of so-called LAW!

Keshi.

saby said...

read how Bhagat Singh behaved at the gallows

a terrorist to the british

a patriot to us indians

saby said...

Sardars and Muslims got balls

Keshi said...

Saby go to the gallows and see how u feel...have u even seen a leathl-injection gurney? I guess not. It's absolutely gut-wrenching

I visited an old prison where deathrow prisoners were kept...just walking through the corriodrs brought a horibble feeling that I can never forget...

Keshi.

Keshi said...

Guys my point of this post was not only to highlight Nguyen's unfair and sickening death, also to point out few facts from my last post...

I will come back with the comparisons soon :)

hey it's ok that we dun agree on certain things...a good debate is always good brain food :)

Thanks all!
Keshi.

saby said...

Heyyy

i didnt say
i gott balls

saby said...

lethal injection is easy
witness gallows if u can

\\\no witnesses allowed in india

in pakistan and some muslim cuntries\\it is public hanging

Keshi said...

***Deepa

helloooo and thanks :)

**if u wanna teach all those criminals around that u are gonna put ur foot down on crime , mayb death sentence is the only way ...
coz i feel the only thing criminals are scared of is death ....

I totally understand what u r saying. That's just the basic understanding of how death scares anyone. But d u honestly think Van's death will stop all drug dealers? Or another murderer's death will stop all the future murderers? Ppl dun go murder or do drugs as a hobby, to stop that hobby in fear of capital punishment...whoever who is going to do it will do it anyways!

So like Sudeep stated we need to stop the crimes...not commit another crime to stop the crimes. Cos who's going to give us the death penalty then? :)

**and supposing a 75yr old man is given a life sentence for all the crimes he did in his lifetime, whatz the use ??

How do we know what the use is for him? We cant measure that on his behalf, can we? It really may mean something for him to repent in last years...and perhaps rescue himself from sin before death.

Keshi.

Keshi said...

Ppl who say death penalty is great must sit and watch the gallows when an exceution happens. I have read a story where a witness of an execution stated his emotions...his daughter died at the hands of that criminal...and he wanted the criminal to die and he won the case..so he went to the gallows to watch his daughter's killer being killed...he said that after watching it he wished that he never did this...that he never asked for death penalty for this person...that he never got closure from it...only pure misery and more shock of the horrible death...he said it doubled his pain and added one more crime to it....and that he felt guilty as hell. He said he will never forget it and he will never receive closure from thsi anyways.

These r ppl who have really been there and done it. So beware of what u wish for...

Keshi.

saby said...

In 1888 Lord Aberdare was commissioned to report into hanging in Britain, after these incidents and the unsuccessful attempt to hang John Lee on the 23rd of February 1885,

because the trap would not open (he was reprieved after three attempts to execute him.)

The Aberdare committee heard a lot of medical evidence and one witness,

Dr. Marshall described a hanging in 1886 as follows.
"I descended immediately into the pit where I found the pulse beating at the rate of 80 to the minute, the wretched man struggling desperately to get his hands and arms free. I came to this conclusion from the intense muscular action in the arms, fore arms and hands, contractions, not continuous but spasmodic, not repeated with any regularity but renewed in different directions and with desperation. From these signs I did not anticipate a placid expression on the face and I regret to say my fears were correct. On removing the white cap about 1 1/2 minutes after the fall I found the eyes starting from the sockets and the tongue protruded, the face exhibiting unmistakable evidence of intense agony."
A better table of drops was worked out and these awful incidents largely became a thing of the past.
It is notable that there were quite few problems with early lethal injections before the learning curve was surmounted.
The British Home Office was eventually able to issue executioners with a table of dro

saby said...

http://www.richard.clark32.btinternet.co.uk/hanging2.html

Keshi said...

Saby u support death penalty so why r u trying to tell me that death by hanging is cruel? lol I already knew that even w.o. reading ur comment...

~~US President George Bush strongly supports the death penalty in the belief that "ultimately it helps save innocent lives", .........

That coming from someone who is the most-laughed-at, is not surprising...

~~The executioner will place a hood over Nguyen's head and say the words he has uttered to every condemned prisoner: "I am going to send you to a better place than this. God bless you."

if he knew any 'better' would he be an executioner in the first place? And mentioning God b4 and act liek that is ridiculous...shows how mistaken they r :)

Keshi.

saby said...

the victims have a cruel death too

recently a six moth old baby was hanged in mumbai on the ceiling fan

now he will hang too

sittingnut said...

keshi i don't know whether you have read fyodor dostoevsky'sthe idiot,in the first part there is a description of a execution and an aborted execution (based on author's own mock execution). imo they are some of the most powerful writings against death penalty ever.

saby said...

the guy went in to the house to rob
the baby was crying loud alerting the neighbours

he needed the money to support his drug habit

I AM WID JAY on dis

saby said...

for the same reason drug peddalers must hang too publicly

no lethal injection for these guys

saby said...

and also their supporters

the AMNESTY INTERNAIONAL guys

SaffronSaris said...

Hiya Keshi,
I'm not without compassion, but it sickens me to the stomach that while the politians are clamouring against Ngyeun's capital sentence, have they forgotten that not too long ago, they themselves were pressing oh so loudly for the Indonesian bombers (who, BTW, caused the death of quite a few Australians) to be put to death?

And, you should not forget that the drugs that Nyuen is carrying is not for Singapore, but for Australia. He has enough doses for 26000 addicts in Australia.

What he did was not a mistake.

It cannot be correct that young children, who are offered drugs just right outside their schools bu pushers have it THEIR OWN FAULT that they become drug addicts.

It cannot be that Nygeun would give information, because he DELIBERATELY gave FALSE information while in custody.

And most importantly, it cannot be wrong that I want to demand a safe place for children to grow up, where they can walk down the streets of Sydney or Melbourne or any other city in the world wihout being offered drugs-disguised-as-candy

Last but not least, it cheapens the act of observing a minutes' silence of the death of a man who knwoingly saw the devestation drugs had wrought on his twin brother, and yet, cold-heartedly, chose to be a carrier and wrought the same misery on othe families.

Tell me, has Nygeun any compassion for his own mother, for all the other mothers out there and for all the mothers-to-be?

Nygeun saw his mother lost a son to drugs, yet HE CHOSE TO LET HIS MOTHER LOSE ANOTHER SON TO DRUGS.

*Say NO to drugs*

Lucy Stern said...

It is sad that he was executed, but he went into a foreign country and broke there laws and they execute people for doing what he did. There are conquences for every action and some people just don't seem to understand what conquences are. I am not familiar with the case so I can not make a judgment as to what his sentence should have been.

Rahul said...

the networks in the us covered the news too. But, in this country too, the fight against the death penalty is far from won. It is wonderful to see how concerned you are; hope your efforts will make a tangible contribution to the cause...

white devil said...

a catholic against the death penalty? that's weird, i mean if it wasn't for the death penalty there would be no easter. i mean it's just a three day weekend for me, but for you guys it is the celebration of the execution of christ where you celebrate by telling your children that a bunny unlawfully enters your domicile and leaves little turds of chocolatey goodness around your dwelling. if that isn't odd, i don't know what is.
"mommy! mommy! i found a rabbit egg under me pillow!"
"that's the story of jesus"

niki yokota said...

me century again!!!!!!
yayyyyyyyy \(^o^)/ thank u keshi-chan!! OOOXXX

Lindsey said...

I cant' say too much about this post. I don't have a problem with the death penalty when it comes to a criminal who committed murder. (though I have no idea why this guy was in jail...so I have no opinion on him whatsoever.)

Sudeep said...

*COMPASSIONATE HUGGGZZZZ*

Happy weekend.. :)

Sudeep said...

How come Niki manages to be 100th everytime... hmmm...

Varkey said...

I think Capital punishment for Drug pushing is a bit too much ...but then I am very much For Capital Punishment other henious crimes

saby said...

*COMPASSIONATE HUGGGZZZZ ?

My foot
dat was a lecherous hugg

saby said...

honestly i tink Keshi SUXS
she uses her X appeal to get support

she huggs everyone

saby said...

nuting

just huggs Niki

saby said...

where is TANVI ?

saby said...

FUCK !

dis post has been chewed out

do u tink she gets any?

saby said...

Condoms aren't completely safe. A friend of mine was wearing one and got hit by a bus. ~Bob Rubin

saby said...

Remember, if you smoke after sex you're doing it too fast. ~Woody Allen

saby said...

Don't knock masturbation - it's sex with someone I love. ~Woody Allen

saby said...

To hear many religious people talk, one would think God created the torso, head, legs and arms, but the devil slapped on the genitals. ~Don Schrader

saby said...

Love is the answer, but while you are waiting for the answer, sex raises some pretty good questions. ~Woody Allen

Drywall Mom said...

In my opinion, there should only be certain situations where the death penalty should be used. I've already talked about that before so I wont go into it. But I'm not in that country and I don't know why the laws are like that so I can't say if it was right or not. There is a thin to see on the death penalty to choose that and I would not want to have to be one of those jurors.

PuNeEt said...

hey sweeti...
ur too caring n sensitive...

I'm the one who strongly favord death sentence in ur prev post... although my stance has not changed but giving a death sentence for drug smuggling surprised me...
that was too harsh ...
i do agree with ur view

but for killing some1 or rape case I will still have my vote on death sentence...

I know that I will fight against death penalty no matter what
all the very best...

If you are with me on this
Unfortunately Not...
my stance depends on individual case...
I still favor death sentence if the crime is such...

But dont loose ur heart...
if all people start thinking the way u do... there wont be any crimes ...

take care n be good

Cheers

Rohit Talwar said...

i love the way you write!

Vivek Panda said...

keshi, u've got a heart of pure gold !!

Keshi said...

***Saby

u say "the victims have a cruel death too"...

r u a victim of drugs? If not, then how can u speak for them? They chose drugs too, so as per ur logic abt Van, they too should bear the consequences of their evil choices...

Alcohol and cigarattes kill ppl too and ruins lives - it gives life-threatening diseases, but the Govts allow it, and no those dealers will never be hanged cos the so-called Law 'chooses' not to :) Double standards I guess.

If u choose drugs, then be prepared to die violent deaths. But that's at in own hands isnt it? How can we blame only the dealers for this?? NO ONE DESERVES DEATH!

Keshi.

Keshi said...

***Sittingnut

Hey hows ya?

** fyodor dostoevsky's the idiot

Nope I havent had that great chance of reading that book yet...It's in my list now, thans :) Sounds very interesting...

U seem to read alot which is why I think u have a very clear conscience, excellent vocabulary and most of all pure wisdom...good on u my friend!

Keshi.

Keshi said...

**and also their supporters the AMNESTY INTERNAIONAL guys

Saby u have no sense of what human rights r...so I can understand why such dorky statements come from u. I have heard worse from uninformed ppl, so it's ok :)

Keshi.

Keshi said...

***Lucy_Stern

heyy WC and thanks.

I totally understand and I do respect another country's law. But I wont respect the death penalty no matter which country it's in...how can anyone overlook a Human Rights in a modern era like this?

** There are conquences for every action and some people just don't seem to understand what conquences are.

Agreed. Just as much as the drug traffickers, drug users should understand this too.

Thanks!
Keshi.

Keshi said...

***Rahul

Thanks for ur great thouhgts and thanks for wishing well in this crusade against calculated death.

***WhiteDevil

WC and thanks!

**Catcholic against death penalty

Im not a Catholic :)

** i mean it's just a three day weekend for me, but for you guys it is the celebration of the execution of christ

correction...hehe...Good Friday I think is for mourning Christ's death. Easter Sunday is for celebrating His resurrection.

But I agree...Christ was executed in the name of 'law'...so how can ppl of today be any compassionate towards his/her fellow-being...Im not surprised :)

Thanks mate!

Keshi.

Keshi said...

***Niki

lol 100th again WOOHOO! :)

***Linny

Hey thanks!

***Sudeep

he okk lol big weekend HUGGGGGGGGZ! :):)

***Varkey

Hey hows ya :)

**I think Capital punishment for Drug pushing is a bit too much

If it's like the 2nd time he did this, then u could say it's ok (even tho I still dun support the death penalty)...but yeah, this is ridiculous to kill someone like this!

Thanks!

Keshi.

Keshi said...

***Drywall_mom

Hey hellooo :)

**. But I'm not in that country and I don't know why the laws are like that so I can't say if it was right or not.

true...but it's abt Human Rights...and it's a global thing.

**There is a thin to see on the death penalty to choose that and I would not want to have to be one of those jurors.

Goshh yessssss! It would be like hell!

Thanks :)
Keshi.

Keshi said...

***Puneet

Hellooo Pu bear...:)

**ur too caring n sensitive...

nope...dun tell that and escape with supporting the death penalty lol! It's not Im too caring and sensitive...it's that ppl who support death penalty like to stick to the crime...sorrry guys but I have to say this. If u support death penalty u like to concentrate ur emotions on the crime that's committed...u dun see anything beyond that crime...all the good that he/she was b4 or will be in future is straight away dismissed...all u now want is revenge...am I not right? :)

**but giving a death sentence for drug smuggling surprised me...
that was too harsh ...

thanks for atleast agreeing with that :)

**but for killing some1 or rape case I will still have my vote on death sentence...

I respect ur view cos I have to...cos I cant change ur mind just as much as u cant change my mind - So yeah lets agree to disagree...:)

**But dont loose ur heart...
if all people start thinking the way u do... there wont be any crimes ...

thanks for that - I'm skating on cloud 11 now...lol!

Thanks Pu bear for ur thoughts...but I hope someday u will think abt what I said..even if that meant when ur very old and grey, sitting in ur room, wondering what Life was all abt...some day...:)

Hugggggggz!
Keshi.

Keshi said...

Gys I'll come back tomorrow with the comparison of this post against the Salvation post :)

Thanks!
Keshi.

Keshi said...

***Saffronsaris

Hey Saffronz good to see ya :)

**it sickens me to the stomach that while the politians are clamouring against Ngyeun's capital sentence, have they forgotten that not too long ago, they themselves were pressing oh so loudly for the Indonesian bombers (who, BTW, caused the death of quite a few Australians) to be put to death?

I totally understand what u r saying Saffronz. But I cant speak for the politicians cos they are them...and I am just me :) I know that some Aussies wantes Amrozi dead cos he was a mass-murderer...I still dun agree with them cos it comes down to the same bigger principle of Human Rights. But that's my opinion. But as some ppl here stated, mass Murder may look very much more death-penalty deserving to the majority of the public, than a one-off drug trafficking...
Again I dun support death penalty...and I cant speak for ppl who do...

**And, you should not forget that the drugs that Nyuen is carrying is not for Singapore, but for Australia.

I havent forgotten that and that's why the lawyers tried an Extradition approach of the case too...but Sing didnt allow it cos he was caught there. If he was caught in Aus (as alot of other foreigners r being daily caught and sent to jail in Aus), then Van's fate would have been less barbaric and human-rights would have prevailed too.

***He has enough doses for 26000 addicts in Australia.

Agreed! But Im not saying these drug users r innocent...they chose it. If they couldnt get it from Van, they would find someone else!

**What he did was not a mistake.

It is Saffronz...it was grave mistake of choosing between what's right and wrong...

**It cannot be correct that young children, who are offered drugs just right outside their schools bu pushers have it THEIR OWN FAULT that they become drug addicts.

?? In which country does this happen? C'mon if they give it out like Candy to kids, then how would they get any money from it?? Drug addicts are ppl who have probs, who cant face the reality of their lives...so they 'choose' drugs...just like someone else would 'choose' alcohol or prostitution or violence. U and I didnt choose any of it and it's because we come from families that took care of us or because we have a healthy conscience than they do.

So it's really not right to blame just the drug traffickers...it's also the addicts' fault. Both are doing something agianst the so-called LAW so in ur theory both deserve death.
There wont be smoke w.o a fire neither will there be Supply w.o. Demand.

**It cannot be that Nygeun would give information, because he DELIBERATELY gave FALSE information while in custody.

How do we know? Now that he's dead we will never know anyways...how foolish!

**And most importantly, it cannot be wrong that I want to demand a safe place for children to grow up, where they can walk down the streets of Sydney or Melbourne or any other city in the world wihout being offered drugs-disguised-as-candy

True. But would killling Van give u that much-demanded safety? Yes I u'stand that other would-be-traffickers will be more wary of it and will be scared now. But will it stop the current drug business? Would it stop the family probs or whatever that will sprout new drug-users? The main drug traffickers will continue just like terrorism continues to grow inspit of many terrosits being sent to death row. We should kill the crime, not the criminals.

**Last but not least, it cheapens the act of observing a minutes' silence of the death of a man who knwoingly saw the devestation drugs had wrought on his twin brother, and yet, cold-heartedly, chose to be a carrier and wrought the same misery on othe families.

The minute of silence was ruled out by the Aussie govt. But whoever who observed silence at the time Van struggled at the end of the rope, was out of pure humanity I guess...no one would want a death like that no matter how cruel a criminal we r talking abt...

**Tell me, has Nygeun any compassion for his own mother, for all the other mothers out there and for all the mothers-to-be?
Nygeun saw his mother lost a son to drugs, yet HE CHOSE TO LET HIS MOTHER LOSE ANOTHER SON TO DRUGS.

True I agree. 100% correct cos I thought abt that too. It was really stupid of Van and yes HE WAS WRONG. No doubt he did a very serious crime and a huge let-down on his Mother. But does that deserve death??
Though he did a grave misdeed to his Mother, I don't think his mother wanted him dead...she still wanted his son to live and she will forgive him....cos he's her son.

****Say NO to drugs*

Indeed. NO to drug trafficking and NO to drug-use.

If this case brought anything good out of it, it's the fact that yyoung ppl should stay away from drugs. Van's death is a profound message to traffickers as well as users. Stop the drug business before more lives r taken from both sides, and yes unfairly for both sides of the families.

Keshi.

Keshi said...

Saby if u have nothing better to say can u just keep shut. Thanks!

Keshi.

Johnny B. Good said...

all the word's probs are to do wid coming too soon or too late

u go to a party
and if u arrive too soon
u get pissed b4 the party has even started

u arrive late and all u get is dinner

the bar is closed

Johnny B. Good said...

i dont believe keshi is 23
she talks like my grandmom

Lee William said...

Thousands of people are killed every year in the U.S for violating drug laws .. they become victims of prison violence ..dying at the hands of gangs, murderers and other members of the violent inmate population. In addition, criminal prosecution ruins people’s lives and careers ..which often leads to destitution and suicide. Add to that the number of people killed during police raids. In nearby Ventura County a small army of police smashed into the home of an innocent rancher ..and shot him to death when he ran in panic. Where is the compassion in that ..? Drug laws distort law enforcement priorities ..instead of chasing violent criminals, police target ordinary citizens ..and fill our prisons with people who do not belong there. Isn’t there a more realistic and humane approach to drug use than criminalization ..?

Mr. Maverick said...

A very sad story indeed. Unfair, but so is life.

Arun

tulipspeaks said...

missing ya :(

=am000nie=

Keshi said...

***Lee_William

WC mate and thanks!

I agree with u 100%. Law is out there but not that it always does humane things. It's a very unfair world but when the average man governs it, what can be expected?

**Isn’t there a more realistic and humane approach to drug use than criminalization...

true...I dun condone drugs but death is not going to stop it in anyway! It will only kill one drug dealer while another 100 is being born somewhere else. And no one has the right to wipe out a human life just like that...that's murder over drugs...which is better? NONE!

Thanks for ur very informative comment Lee...I knew that prisoners in the US and everywhere else live violent lives even within the walls...no human rights r preserved once taken into the hands of the so-called law enforcemnet officers...it's appalling! No one has the right to treat another as if their life is less valuable than the violent officers' themselves!

Keshi.

Keshi said...

**Me.Mediocre

Hey thanks :)

***Rohit_Talwar

Hey thanks mate...u write well too...

***Vivek_Panda

Oh c'mon :) it's not that I have a golden heart, just that I have compassion that the killers dont have...:)

***Saby

Im not bothered...it's not that I wont b able to live w.o. my blog, it's that they wont be :) Thanks anyways.

Keshi.

Keshi said...

***Amu

awww Huggggggggz Im here darlz :)

Keshi.

Johnny B. Good said...

human rights shit again?

wat about human rongs and punishment

Keshi said...

JohnnyBGood human wrongs r human...cruel punishment is animalistic. Surely there r more HUMANE ways to punish??

Forget it...why wud I even discuss this with u...duhhhh!

Keshi.

Johnny B. Good said...

dis whole world is messed up
bcoz of misplaced compassion

Keshi said...

Guys...ok what I intended to do was connect this post with the Salvation post and re-assess what u thought was ur Salvation path...

Those who said that their Salvation path was based on whatever sins they did and since they didnt sin (in their own judgement) that they feel they r in the correct path...think for a moment. A sin is not done just by words or hands...it can also be committed by a cruel thought. You may not have killed anyone else, but to think it's OK TO KILL someone (even if he/she is a violent criminal) is equivalent to the act of killing itself...dun get me wrong - why I think so is becos, we think before we speak....and we think before we act. So if u think u want to kill, then u will do so too...

Fo those who said that Salvation is abt having a good conscience...if u thought that death penalty is still good, then ur conscience needs to be reviewed...conscience is sense of right and wrong. And if u think it's ok to kill someone, is it good conscience, cos is it good to kill someone no matter what?

Those who thought Karma was the Salvation path...and if u thought that Killing is good, then is that good Karma? Cos good Karma by all 3 avenues of thought, word and deed must be maintained. So if a killing thought sprouted in ur hearts, that's almost equivalent to killing someone by ur own hands...

Im not in any way trying to say that those who did not support the death penalty r the best ppl on Earth with the right Salvation path etc. They may be bad/weak in other areas of life, I dunno...

What I intend to tell u here is that I'm surprised that those who came very close to death and knew what it is to fear death, still support another man's violent death. Our miseries in life, our tests and trials should make us better ppl in thoughts, words and deeds...not make us more vengeful and cruel. Grow some compassion and reap the fruits of Love and Forgiveness...u will see the difference...and u will never fear death :)

Thanks all!
Keshi.

Johnny B. Good said...

india is one of the world's most corrupt nations

coz very few get convicted
the justice system of the courts has failed

rapists too go scot free

in the rare event we get a conviction and the death penalty guys like keshi sheds tears

we need more encounter killing

Johnny B. Good said...

keshi

I AIM TO FITE U TO DEATH ON DIS ONE

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Johnny B. Good said...

"And what about the innocent people who these gangsters killed? Why do you care more for the criminals than for the victims?" Maharashtra's honourable home minister, Gopinath Munde, recently asked, along these lines: "When people are being killed for extortion, how come this is not an issue with human rights activists?"

Johnny B. Good said...

Another ex-police commissioner, Julio Ribeiro, touched on it not long ago. Asked about the grip the underworld has on the city whose top cop he once was, this widely admired and respected man told Outlook magazine: "We have to first accept that extortions have gone through the roof. To bring order the entire climate has to change... Even small cases of extortion have to be investigated. If this is done, the message goes out that the police means business. The underworld will then go underground."

Johnny B. Good said...

Now this is not some novel question that has not been asked before, that has not occured to all of you before. But it bears repeating, it bears repeating, because it bears some relevance to crime and punishment in Bombay, in India.

Keshi

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Johnny B. Good said...

jULIO rIBEIRO INVENTED ENCOUNTER KILLING IN PUNJAB (KHALISTAN MOVEMENT)

ALSO USED BY HIM IN MUNMBAI TO BREAK THE HOLD OF THE UNDERWORLD

saby said...

Anonymous said...
DAMN!

show this to keshi

http://deathpenaltyusa.blogspot.com/

5:34 AM

saby said...

http://deathpenaltyusa.blogspot.com/

Abolish the Death Penalty
Abolish the Death Penalty is a blog dedicated to...well, you know. The purpose of Abolish is to tell the personal stories of crime victims and their loved ones, people on death row and their loved ones and those activists who are working toward abolition. You may, from time to time, see news articles or press releases here, but that is not the primary mission of Abolish the Death Penalty. Our mission is to put a human face on the debate over capital punishment.

Jay said...

Keshi, you are talking about humanity. Imagine….

If I raped you in front your brother and father, and after that, I grab your sister and rape her in front of you and your family. You mother lose her sanity seeing what I did and end up her life in her own hands. Few days later, I was arrested for it by the police and was sentenced to death.

Would you say like what you said in here about NOT fair for me to be sentenced to death?

Sometimes it is easy to say things when it isn’t happened to us but when we are in the state of it, we will understand.

DO you have the compassion on saving my life after what I have done to you and your sister?

No offense to my brutal example but just picture it and tell me how you feel.

Drug addictions are like being raped by the drugs to their bodies and do you know how suffer the family feels to see their sons/daughters being ripped off by it? I take drugs as very serious offense as the same as murderer, so I stand to my principle! Eye to an eye! Life to a life!

Drug dealers don’t deserve to live, go find other jobs!

Ohh.. just because he has turned to be someone “good” while in the prison and worship god you feel pity for him? Where was his god when he was busy distributing drugs?

Come on Keshi..

saby said...

keshi has left the building
err, i mean blogging

saby said...

but dat aint enuff
u gotta recant

and apologize to all the victims families

for your compassion to the criminals widout a tot for the victims

Kerry said...

my keshi,

tears are now flowing freely from my eyes...i don't understand girl. i knew not the heart of the child named Van Nguyen, and sadly, now none of us ever will...

continue to write with passion. you are amazing-a white lighter.

i love yeah me aussie mattie

your lost girl, whos heart now cries (scarlet tears) for a child named Nguyen and the many others who will soon suffer also...

kerry

Kerry said...

forgiveness, hope, peace... these are the only keys we need to apply to our hearts...

anger, hate, revenge, judgement...these are the true tools that destroy lives- they create walls...

...conscience is sense of right and wrong. And if u think it's ok to kill someone, is it good conscience, cos is it good to kill someone no matter what?..
And why don't you end dis post and come up wid a new one? Not a bad idea,I think..
take care

Keshi said...

***Jay

my answer to u is in my last comment :)

***Saby

I dont apolgise for being compassionate...shows what a foolish person u r to even suggest such a thing. Instead of asking me to apologise each time for whatever I write here and that too for compassion, why don't u just aplogise to all the victims of ur stupid games? All the people who had to cop ur flak here in my blog and keep silent? Go get a life for once Saby.

***Kerry

muahhhhhhh and God bless u for the wisdom in u...

**forgiveness, hope, peace... these are the only keys we need to apply to our hearts...

yeah and these are things some ppl think just exist only in the books...cos their hearts r too evil to accept these r real emotions too...they r too blind. But Im glad there r ppl who really have these qualities too...

**anger, hate, revenge, judgement...these are the true tools that destroy lives- they create walls

very very true...thank u for that beautiful line...those who have the blessing to open their eyes will open their eyes after reading that line...Huggggggggggz Kerry!

Keshi.

Keshi said...

Thanks for the suggestion....lol I think ppl who support death penalty will end up killing each other here...I sense so much vengeance.

So I better put up a new post thanks mate :)

Keshi.

Kerry said...

*big hugz* as always, tis you who shines...

g'nite me aussie mattie! opps, i mean, have a great day! *smiles and hands you a coffee,yawns and takes a tylonol pm* ...zzzzzzzzzzzz

until our hearts dance again,

much love!

kerry

saby said...

dis dame never apologizes

hr mom tells me
even when cot wid her hand in the cookie jar

she said 'i was just counting the cookies'

SaffronSaris said...

Some more words.....(my, i'm getting long-winded)

I was pretty ambivalent abt this case. In fact, I might have even felt some compassion for him.

But the inane rattering that has been coming from some quarters have so lost the point, lost hte big picture that I totally fail to see what is WRONG with hanging him now.

There is such a thing as overkill....

Sometimes, politians have too much heart in the most inappropriate circumstances.

Manish said...

Well Keshi !

U may have a valid point but this is a topic which can be debated on and on. Last time we have a death penalty in India was when a 20 something guy raped and killed and innocent girl may be of 14-15. Mass opinion showed over 80% people were in favor of the penalty.I personally believe that this punishment should be reserved for henious crimes committed & thats how indian judicial system uses this punishment. Personally speaking I am not in favor of completely removing this as form of punishment. It should always remain there as deterrent.

Keshi said...

***Keryy

good nite sweety! Huggggggz! lol I really have coffee right now..thanks muahhhhhhhhhz!!

***Saby

**dis dame never apologizes

I havent committed any crime by thought word or deed in this post..so tell me why should I apologise? I didnt say i DIDNT feel compassion for the victims did I? I was talking on behalf of another victim too...a victim of the state-sanctioned death penalty. Maybe it's u admit ur guilt and apologise cos u supported his death - hence it is U who sinned. Not me. So u can shut ur senseless crap now.

***Manish

I understand what u mean...brutal criminals r unforgivable...and I really dun think one-off drug trafiicking deserves death and that too an Aus citizen on his way home...those drugs were supoosed to arrive here. Aus govt would have handled drug trafficking ina better and human way.

And if u look at it, it's the countries that still maintain death penalty that have the highest rates of brutal crime. Europe and Aus has no detah penalty and trust me, these countries have less crime compared to all those countires that boost their image by killing ppl. So it's really not a deterrent. And I think it promotes violence...

Thanks anyways :)

Keshi.

Manish said...

Keshi u can't compare highly educated developed society like aussies to a devoloping countries like us.

I will be surprised if ur statistics holds true for two developing nations with similar societies where one has such penalty and the other has not!

In India it is clear directive to judges that this punishment should be reserved for rarest of rare cases. The criminal in the case u presented here may have got just LI here.

Keshi said...

***Manish

**Keshi u can't compare highly educated developed society like aussies to a devoloping countries like us

hey na I aint comparing India with Aus - Just take Aus and the US...:) I dun even have to say a word...hehe..

**The criminal in the case u presented here may have got just LI here.

I respect India's laws...cos I know they dun just put ppl to death...they only do it to the real brutal maniacs.

Thanks Manish :)

Keshi.

still_figuring_out said...

hi keshi!
on the day he was excuted, i wrote a post on my blog too.

his exucation made me question my belief. as you see, i still cannot say that i have a confirmed stand on this matter.

singapore and malaysia has seen a rise in HIV+ patients as a result of our citizens being drug addicts. a few years back, the sight of young citizens, always high and wasting away, was rampant. thats when the death penalty was implimented. the punishment HAS to be harsh, otherwise this problem cannot be (not stopped altogether, as the gain is high)controlled.

another point of interest in the fact that Van Nguyen was an australian; might have contributed to the worldwide media interest. a couple of years back, a malaysian was excuted in singapore for similar reasons as well. only our local papers featured his story. we did not have the president of US condemning his death publicly.

Compassion, as you said, is needed in mankind. however, i think it is not right to demand compassion from a mother who loses her child to OD.

but, there are always two sides to a coin.

there are times when i question the right of mankind to take a life. there are also times when i thank the law for removing criminals from public.

i just dont know...

Keshi said...

***Still_Figuring_Out

Hey thanks and I agree with nmost of what u said..and I respect ur views.

**Compassion, as you said, is needed in mankind. however, i think it is not right to demand compassion from a mother who loses her child to OD.

Na it aint demanding compassion...it's a request to consider comapssion instead of violence...if we build this society on retribution and violence, then there will be more and more drug addicts too...

Thanks!
Keshi.