Monday, October 16

V For Vendetta

What is punishment? What is revenge? What is pay-back? I think they are all the same. And it all comes out of sheer anger, pain and disappointment...from that 'I'm right and you're wrong' judgement. I know a story of a woman who's ex-BF set her house on fire cos she broke up with her. That's bitter revenge. What would he have received from doing it - a few minutes of cruel satisfaction perhaps. And after that how would he have felt? Nothing except further intensified pangs of vengeance, more hatred and anger! The girl lost her home and all her belongings. Few years down the track when he's older and frail, perhaps he will feel ashamed about himself. Cos not only did he lose the girl, but he also lost his self-respect, cool and dignity...he basically lost himself. By committing an act of revenge, by not being able to forgive and move on, you only end up with no solution, further conflict and loss of the power in you to change...to be in total control of yourself.

Why I'm writing this post today is cos I was watching the news the other day, and all I saw was bloodshed everywhere - nothing new. In the Middle East, people are dying everyday...women running around crying for their dead men...children stranded...school shootings...never-ending war...death..destruction...VENGEANCE diguised in different masks. And I was thinking the root cause of all this is that inevitable human craving for REVENGE. But is it really inevitable? I don't think so. Just that most people are so 'used' to taking revenge. 'You take my eye and I'll take your's' kind of attitude. That's the way the world operates these
days and it's only gotten worse. Cos time and time again, people fail to think outside that scope. They just go with how it has always been. Hence they don't even stop to think if it really agrees with their own reason and common sense. I'm a strong opponent of Capital Punishment. I even wrote a post about it long time ago...you can read it here -
'In Search Of Compassion'. Alot of people then tried to convince me that DEATH is necessary as a punishment for those who kill/rape others. Maybe at first appearance it feels that way. That's cos we all have the pangs of vengeance in us - hatred and anger running through our veins. Settling scores seem to be the only way. But is killing the criminal going to undo the already committed crime or bring back the already dead people? Or does it even give an opportunity for the criminal to realise and repent his sins? I say it only doubles the crime and it takes us down to the same IQ level of the criminal. Cos he/she committed an act of violence as a result of some sort of vengeance that was deep-seeded in their minds. And now we are doing the same! As long as vengeance is implemented as a means of deterrent, we are going to always swim in vengeance. From violence one can never achieve peace and resolution. (double_click on image to read it clearly).

My point is revenge is never going to bring you or the other person a lasting solution. It's only going to bind you in an ever-growing conflict and hatred. Isn't that why these wars go on for years and years with no resolution? Even at home, when someone does something hurtful, we often try to prove our point and we never give up on that 'I'm always right' attitude. But by doing that we become blind to our own mistakes. We therefore become just like the other person and we lose the power in us to be content by forgiving and spreading some compassion. There's great power in compassion than you may think. Alot of people don't stop to think what compassion is cos they always want to take that fast lane of revenge that everyone else takes. Compassion heals and from compassion comes real solutions. That's what Buddhism teaches and there's great power in that line. In
Christianity they say 'show the other cheek when slapped'. It's not just a pretty line for people to read and then fight the very next day...in that line there's higher power to change you and the other person, and bring long-lasting solutions to everyone. Your greatest 'Revenge' from anything/anyone should really be to LIVE in a manner that's not the same as your opponent's. Love your enemy - nothing will bug him/her more. Obtain a higher power than the other person, both emotionally and spiritually. And great rewards will follow.

So why can't most people just see beyond revenge anymore? Are people blind to go on like this for years and years in conflict? Perhaps they are blind...cos they have been taught to take an eye for an eye all this time. And no eyes mean no sight. I read somewhere that the 7 wonders of this world is to see, hear, smell, touch, feel, love and laugh. But we always choose to disable ourselves deliberately. Time to make use of the 7 wonders we have been blessed with, heal ourselves and cure others too.


Current Music: Seven Wonders by Fleetwood Mac

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jac said...

Viva

That was a lovely eye opener, though I dont think that any one will open their eyes after reading it.

The attittude that has creeped in the minds are so sticky.

Happy to be here, and I acme to say that I am back.

southpaw said...

Thought provoking...but only when thought sitting in a place where u don't hv to see any of the actual violence infront of u. The philosophies change when somebody points a gun at u, they change when u see ur blood coming out of ur flesh, they change when u feel somethings being broken inside, they change when u see ur mate die for no good, they change when u see the future of ur society being tactically assasined. They all CHANGE.
As far as the example of that guy burning his ex-gf's house, don't compare that act of disgrace with the punishment and payback delivered by the enforcement agencies, there is a huge huge difference in the actual reason behind both the acts apart from just being a mere payback.

Vivek Panda said...

i agree with u keshi. as gandhiji said, violence is the weapon of the weak... non-violence is that of the strong. if we reply a violent act by another it'd continue in a never-ending circle... and wont give any solution, just causing more pain and trauma. but only compassion and forgiving will heal it all.

god bless you my dear friend.

Tarun said...

Nice post keshi and very true too but I feel there should be P for punishment and how and what it should be decided by situation...

Shionge said...

What goes around comes around and yes, we can't change the world for all the bloodshed in this world.

Little by little, within ourselves, forgive and forget...life goes on.

Great job Keishi....:D

samuru999 said...

I am with you on this Keshi!
Compassion is the force that unites us with the harmony of the universe!
Compassion lets us look with the heart of a poet...
seeing not things, but the spirit..
the essence of people!
Compassion lets you shed a tear at the fragile... the hopeful...
the unbearably beautiful!
Compassion lets you touch someone with understanding...
reaching out beyond the doubts!Compassion allows you to let yourself be touched!
When we develop the capacity for compassion..
we join with all that is good!

Many will not agree with me...
but that is how I feel!
Blessings to you my dear Keshi!

Margie

P.S Have a wonderful day!
I am off to bed.
I am feeling kind of yucky today...
so,need lots of rest!
See you tomorrow sweetie!

Anonymous said...

It takes a head to think beyond revenge. When there is no head, no thoughts, just revenge and voilence.

Anonymous said...

Good post keshi!! i think as time moves on the cycle of the world is to become more and more ugly! the mindset and attitude of ppl keeps becoming bad!!

hope this cycle ends someday!!

Anonymous said...

Hi Keshi

Welcome back

SON KILLS FAMILY

SHRINK KILLS FAMILY

FLORIDA: FAMILY KILLED

These are recent headlines. Domestic violence is about the loss of family love and revenge.

You are right, revenge is not the answer. Capital punishment is nothing but society’s revenge of a committed crime. You execute a person, but you cannot kill the crime.

Bev

The Phosgene Kid said...

I keep a list.

Anonymous said...

Nice post Keshi!!
As you said anger is the first reaction of people, but they realise that revenge is not good only later. I think we do not have the mind to think very ahead of times. We go by what we feel that moment, hence all this war, fights etc. People need to become Mahatma's inorder to show compassion even when they lost something.
Interestingly both of us have written about Gandhian principles. :)

desperado said...

nice thoughts...but i dont know how much i practice tht..even if i dont do any thing phsically...mentally i may think of doing it...hopefully i can change

Ganesh Ranganathan said...

Nice post, Keshi

You probably remember my stand on capital punishment from my blog..

I agree that capital punishment should be limited to the extreme acts. In India the last person who was hanged had raped and killed a 14 y/o schoolgirl. Is his hanging not justified??

What about traitors, people who betray their country to cause deaths and suffering to thousands of people??

You live in a developed country which has been free of terrorist acts. What about people in India, or recently in London, Madrid, Bali.

The pain of losing a loved one to a bomb blast, is very excruciating. It all becomes personal then. Then the death penalty doesn't seem so cruel and revengeful anymore.

Autumn Storm said...

the 7 wonders of this world is to see, hear, smell, touch, feel, love and laugh.
Love that, noting it down. :-)

Excellent, thought-provoking post, Kesh, at your best as always.
Compassion heals and from compassion comes real solutions.
This sentence says it all, I can add nothing new.

Vengence as an emotion is fascinating in as much as it vies for the top spot with regard to the lengths to which a person will go to be gratified. Born from hurt, anger, sadness as you said, you are completely right too that nothing good could ever come of it, gratification is fleeting, and it can only increase and spread hurt and sadness.

Be what we want to see, what other way is there to live.

Gonna go drink some more coffee, might be back to add more after my fix. :)
Happy Monday, Kesh, hope you have a most wonderful week in store, love and hugs, x

SamY said...

vendetta / revenge is very different from punishment keshi

the former is an attack, the later is defence or meant to be deterrent to the former

capital punishment is only given in rarest of cases ... assume a society with no capital punishment @ all ... what wud prevent a guy who has a fetish for anothers suffering? ... if capital punishment is ur problem, then give a worse one - solitude ... the problem being time n again we'v known ppl to come out n cause more trouble

yes keshi, if you do find some means to reform a hard core criminals mind who feels no remorse for what hez done but takes pride in it ... then capital punishment wudn't be needed anymore :)

** show the other cheek when slapped

ppl misinterpret these blindly #-o ... it makes sense when the one who slapped is a human ... not all humans r "human" keshi :) ... some a like a hungry beast prowling for their pound of flesh ... n u can't be human to a hungry beast unless ur okie being its dinner :D

I am not for revenge or vendetta keshi. as for middle east n most terrist outfits they only pick those who have nuthing better to do with life n nuthing to loose

I don't think all those ppl r out for revenge ... they seek purpose ... since these men have been made to believe a higher purpose, when many had none ... they choose it without choice

I do have respect for lord buddha keshi, but what is the point in showing compasion when you can't help them? buddha cud show a path for those lost! hence what he preached made sense.

unfortunately today ppl dun have the patience / courage to help correct ppl ... n hence resort to punishment ... u do have a point keshi ... but the world is far too perfect to be nice :)

** we never give up on that 'I'm always right' attitude

**** Compassion heals and from compassion comes real solutions. That's what Buddhism teaches and there's great power in that line.

well keshi don't u see that u too have that attitude? ... these ideals suit u ... but what makes u sure if it works for another person

consider this keshi ... u got to a doc ... u never get a clean treatment, u move on to another one don't u? ... its the same with our institutions of belief ... we drift to one that suits our circumstances ... n so did those ppl who landed in terror camps

it ain't justified but thats how it works

Shitrint said...

its a wonderfully written post keshi!
while i read thru, and specially the story, i cud see some instances from my life as well other ppls life go thru my mind!

and that was so true, that seeking vengeance leads one into a never ending bind or a vicious circle to proves one's point; to hav the upper hand. sadly, not many ppl realise this and only want to blame others for wat might hav been their equal folly.

Shitrint said...

er... "Vendetta" has been wrongly spelt!
:-)

Dalicia said...

those are not a good trait to have. but we can't help but to feel it.

at times i think that the law fails us. pain, lost and anger builds inside you. isn't it just human nature?

what goes around, comes around. at the end, the person will payback for their suffering.

Homo Escapeons said...

If they threw away the key when they locked up psychotic murderers and rapists I might agree. But our system of Law is a LEGAL system and not a system of JUSTICE.

There is a profound difference between being legally innocent and factually innocent. A person is in fact either guilty or innocent and lawyers are the only people who benefit from any blurring in the distinction between the two.

OJ Simpson was found not guilty in a criminal trial with a 'stacked'jury of his peers and yet he was found guilty in a civil case. So did he kill his wife? Legally no. Factually?

I am afraid that the politically correct pendulum has moved way over into protecting the rights of the criminals by excusing them as simple celled organisms that responded to negative impulses from their environment. What about biology, what about their decision to commit the crime. You don't. I don't.

I would not hesitate to take my chances in court for avenging an act of violence against my family.
Since it is almost guaranteed that the perp will serve maybe one third of his sentence before he is paroled. We have a case in Canada that the Police Union uses to lobby for stiffer punishments.

This guy got out on parole twice after killing his first victim and killed another person each time.
I wouldn't wait around for that to happen.

No doubt some people can be rehabilitated, fine let them prove themselves. Many are not retreivable as viable human beings and members of society and should NEVER be allowed out in public. EVER.

We keep reading about the same people over and over agin because the system is broken but some lawyers are getting rich and the poor prosecuters have all of the heavy lifting..what about victims. Why do we discount them so quickly. Oh well that was terrible I hope that he doesn't kill anyone else. We need to build more prisons and stop looking at the prospect of warehousing criminals as an expense and more of a neccessity. Sorry for rambling on but I have lost all faith in our present system.

Anthony Arojojoye said...

That's very tight. Nice one there.

Keshi said...

sorry guys I must have been half asleep when I typed Vendetta..lol! I corrected it now.

Keshi.

Die Muräne said...

Compassion and to forgive is the right way for sure.
But sometimes it's really hard and I walk full of anger in the same old trap again ;)

Anonymous said...

Abt aint no sunshine:
Now i know :)! and its my fav too.. been looking for it for a while.

And regarding this vengence... some people take the first step and lose all sense of morality after that... others, dont know anyother way...

And simply, one act of wrong cannot correct the other.. punishment in any form may indirectly cause realization on the person who commited an act... but the key "realization" often becomes secondary...

Nicely written kesh.
Cheers Mayt!
[relating this one to the sting rays: ... sting rays are no criminals in the first place :)... human law is only human law.. nature works differently..]

Anonymous said...

I like that monk image.

Annie said...

Lovely blog. Thought-provoking post, too. My suggestion? Avoid watching violent news reports, reading about voilence, watching violent movies, etc. etc.

Our brains are like little computers...they record things and the information never leaves our heads.

I say why fill it with garbage?

Jewel Rays said...

Keshi,

My point is revenge is never going to bring you or the other person a lasting solution. It's only going to bind you in an ever-growing conflict and hatred.
Thats real. And true.

Its a good post. Something people need to read. Its really like pinching yaself sometimes and taking the pain. But its worth it.

Good one.

Ghost Particle said...

A very good post. If only vengence and revenge was not so deeply rooted in our culture, ways and character, we might be able to build a better world.

Revenge circulates in many forms, but war and killing is just the effects of years of emotion building up. Injustice causes this things, and when you have unjustice, can u expect the people to stay silent? If someone is continouslly trashed day in day out, does he shuts up a sits down. Of course compassion means he just stays away, or forgives or forgets, but the soul doesnt know that, and wont be able to comprehend the acts of them.

Maybe we can work a step at a time to formulate ways of eradicating injustice, then we can work on revenge.

Phoenix said...

nice sugar sweet thought honey

Aditi said...

Well written as always.
I do believe that no regime or person should have the power to take someone else's life.
That having said, its not just revenge, its power and wealth and greed that starts it too.
Unfortunately not everyone can take the higher road, that too is part of being human

Has to be me said...

Good one there Keshi! I wonder who ever coined "Revenge is sweet"....maybe there shd be an add on like..."Revenge maybe sweet but the aftermath is disastrous" or something 2 that effect. Wonder when ppl will grow & mature & not indulge in such heinous acts.

Pri said...

***Time to make use of the 7 wonders we have been blessed with, heal ourselves and cure others too. ***

very well said! wish more ppl wud feel the same :-/
wasent around for a while ...so lotta catching up to do.
but im bakk now :)
n btw uve been tagged :D...

Anonymous said...

That guy burned the house of his ex coz he never Loved her......

And n eye for eye was never & shall never b the right solution....

Happy Diwali Keshi....May god give you Happiness.
bye

Anonymous said...

That guy burned the house of his ex coz he never Loved her......

And n eye for eye was never & shall never b the right solution....

Happy Diwali Keshi....May god give you Happiness.
bye n tc

Anonymous said...

Very well written, but a lot of folks find it hard to emulate. A lot of this is about letting go, which a whole ot of people cannot and if you can't then it really is hard to come to terms with oneself.

Foodie's Hope said...

What a beautiful writing, Keshi!! You touched my heart, sweetie! Sorry abt that girl who lost everthing bcos of that stupid BF!!Hope he regrets it sometime or probably not!!

Hatred is not good I know,but some people are deserving of hate ,plain and simple!!Vengence , on the other hand, is not my cuppa o'tea! I leave it to their fate and conscience ie if they have one!!Being civil to others is most imp. whatever you feel towards those people!But sometimes it's just impossible! YES!I have gone 2 yrs hell after I got married with 'new' family who are supposed to be 'like parents'!I am bitter and I am sorry I cannot let go!! HELP!! Therapy, pleeaseee!!!:D

Check out my cocktail later today!!Wonder if you have had this one?! Let me know!! Slurp!!!;))

Kulpreet said...

Dear Keshi,
how right u are, Revenge indeed has no place.
But for a moment, just reflect, on the thought- why does it happen?
It happens, believe me, in interpersonnel relationships, only when one starts expecting too much from the other. Let people be, whatever they want to be. Thats the antidote for revenge.
At another level, like the middle east, it happens when ones oppurtunity is gobbled by another one. It is just the survival of the fittest. I hope u know what I mean.
Therefore we must learn to make ourselves and our group strong. THats the key .
Was I preaching?

twistedtruth said...

tsk, tsk, tsk, what a misleading post. One already has a problem, say, of anger, and now you say he should create a new one . "I must not be angry".

Let the anger, revenge, jealousy, fully flower. Only then can it be out of your system.

And things are different, when they are at your doorstep.

Orikinla Osinachi. said...

The ex-boyfriend who razed the woman's house was a coward who couldn't be man enough to live his own life and wanted a woman to prove his manhood. What a coward.

Vengeance belongs to God and God will avenge the innocent.

Revenge does more harm than good.

I recommend you read
Life Is More Than Food And Sex, because it exposes the true nature of a man confronting the existential realities of life in a state of chaos.

God bless.

Pecos Blue said...

It is a shame that those have to be called the 7 wonders not the 7 normal habits of humans!

Eclipsed Thoughts said...

Hi KAP...

I absolutely agree with "compassion", but when things fall very hard on you... when you see injustice everywhere and when you are the victim for no fault of yours, things feel different.... you would think of compassion other times but when things befall on you, you think/feel/sense different...

It is not only about revenge, but it so so difficult to forgive the other person... i know i should not take "revenge", but yes i would not miss a chance if i GOT ONE! I know this is such a sick attitude, but maybe i cannot be "good enough".

There are so many time s when we cant even "forgive" ourselves.... hmmm.... good thoughts, have read them so many times... But i really cannot implement! Maybe V for Vendetta might not me the real case... but i cannnot "forgive or forget"... and cant help it....

La vida Loca said...

beautiful post sweetie..
I think the need for revenge come from the 'I am always right complex'..the other person has to be proved wrong NO MATTER WHAT...and when you can't..resort to violence

Kavi said...

Kesh !

That was doubly thought provoking. I thought myself to be some lone ranger who kept yapping about forgiveness, and its good to see a post on the same lines.

The world is going the vengeance way. Influenced by our movies and scarcity of everything, including thought.

Your thoughts are noble. And nobility is always a difficult virtue ! You are truly blessed

punjabi~car~freak! said...

I'm too tired to comment today
will surely comment tomorrow!

exasparater said...

fabulous, master piece in its own way!

a few days i also wrote a blog relative to this.. the world needs love, selfless love.. when someone is unstable they switch into taking revenge...

Time has the answer for everything, lets see!

Akshay said...

Keshi, a very thought provoking post.. But I doubt people will change. Sometimes they see so much pain in their lives caused by other people that all they can see is hatred and all they want is revenge. Regarding the guy burning down his ex's house.. it was very disgraceful to say the least.

Pallavi said...

I dont go for revenge but I do walk out on people who r just not right. Not revenge but we still need to make sure to let people know if they are wrong!

AnonymousBlogger said...

Yes, ideally, vendetta doesn't exist, but the bottom line is that it does exist, and it always will.

So what can we do? I guess if each of us individually decides to go the compassion route as opposed to the revenge route, we will be making a small difference. But ultimately, most of the violence both small and large scale is due to revenge, and as long as people feel that desire, the violence will continue.

Keshi said...

Jac WB! Glad to see u all refershed and back in action.

** I dont think that any one will open their eyes after reading it.

why not? Lets have 'hope' in that. lets 'trust' that ppl really can change. its the lack of trust and hope for change that makes ppl stick to the bad old qualities.

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Southy heyyy I know u wont agree with me on this :) We have argued abt this long time back. And I'm not saying for u to agree with me.


**but only when thought sitting in a place where u don't hv to see any of the actual violence infront of u

no thats where we go wrong. We think of compassion as something thats only in books n stories. But it's a true principle that can be applied to real life and real situations. ppl always fail to do that and thats why all the death n destruction exists in this world.

but Im not saying let the criminals walk free. wut Im saying is if u go n kill a man cos he killed ur family/mate, then u r acting out REVENGE and u r going down to the same level as he was. Thats all. Isnt that right?


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Vivek Im glad u apply Gandhi's principles into ur life. Everyone should cos he really proved that violence is not the way to peace.

ty!

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Tarun heyy I cannot get to ur blog...why is that?

**I feel there should be P for punishment and how and what it should be decided by situation

ofcourse! Im not saying that we should let the criminals walk scot-free as a result of compassion, no ways! Wut Im saying is there r more humane and effective ways of punishing criminals. Ways that bring real results and keep us sane too. Ways that dun make us criminals too.

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Shionge thats right. If we as learned n smart citizens of this world still seek revenge, what can we expect from the uneducated and the less-fortunate?

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Margie heyy HUGGGGGGGGZ! Hope ur feeling better todday.

**Compassion lets you touch someone with understanding...

Yep. Thats what I mean. As humans we r all not the same and we make mistakes. And we have to develop ourselves to come to a stage where we can try n understand the other man's dilemma...forgive him and cure him with compassion. Now if we dun do that, and just go and do what he did, whats the difference between him and us? Animals kill each other for survival...r we going to be like animals then?

Anyways I know alot of ppl dun 'see' what Im trying to say. But thats ok. Atleast I have u and I believe in myself. MWAHHHHHHHHHH!

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Johno heyy!

**When there is no head, no thoughts, just revenge and voilence.

Indeed! Well-said, ty.

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Deepsat yes ur right...it's only getting worse cos even the learned ppl dun wanna change.




Keshi.

Keshi said...

G'day Bev!

yeah those r very familiar headlines. isnt that sad!

**You execute a person, but you cannot kill the crime.

thats so true and it doubles the crime. And thats exactly wut I mean!

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Kiddo heyy u keep a list of wut? :)


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KK heyyy!

**We go by what we feel that moment, hence all this war, fights

thats right. acting on impulse can make us regret alot later on. I read of a father who's daughter died in the Oklahoma bombing. And he wanted so much for the bomber Timothy McVeigh to be executed. And he wanted to watch it. And when he did watch it, he was terrified! He came home and said he wish he never wished such a horrible act on any human being! Death is that horrible. He also said he never felt closure even after the execution. Only more pain.

And now he's forgiven the bomber and he said that once he did that, he felt alot better. His only regret was that he wanted Timothy to die. He really regretted that. So there u go! These r real life stories of real people.

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Hello desperado!

**mentally i may think of doing it...hopefully i can change


true. We all have thoughts coming up in our heads. We cant stop that. But we can stop the actions cant we? :)


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Ganesh heyy yes I rem that post. And u have every right to feel the way u feel.

**Is his hanging not justified??

not to me. How cruel is hanging ganesh! I dun think we have the right to take another person's life. If we do that, then we r no better than the criminal. Thats my argument. So who's gonna hang us then for the crime we committed on the criminal? How is it justified? In the name of law? How can killing someone be law?

Ganesh u wudnt say that if u really 'watched' someone being executed by hanging. Let me tell u a real story. A criminal lawyer wrote this to the papers. He was a witness in the execution of a prisoner who was hanged to death. He said it was his first and the last witnessing ever. WHY? Cos it was extremely gruesome and horrible to watch someone die! And the hanging was even more barbaric cos the tongue comes out and the man suffers on the ropes for a while before he's completely dead. Now d u honestly think thats something wonderful to do as human beings even to an enemy?



Keshi.

Keshi said...

Autumn MWAHHH!

**Be what we want to see, what other way is there to live

Spot on babez! Very well-said. I hope most ppl will read ur comment and derive the great message it conveys. If u want good, then be good in teh first place.

tnxxx sweety happy week to ya!

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Samy heyy!

**the problem being time n again we'v known ppl to come out n cause more trouble

ok take this as an example. Say u have a lil brother. He goes and does naughty things again n again. What d u do to prevent him from doing that again? D u get rid of him altogether? Or d u teach him the right things in the right manner?


**but what is the point in showing compasion when you can't help them?

Has anyone ever given compassion a chance yet? I dont think so! So how can we say it hasnt helped when we havent even used it!


**buddha cud show a path for those lost! hence what he preached made sense.

yes. He even tackled mass murderers with compassion. Compassion was his weapon...not a noose.


**well keshi don't u see that u too have that attitude? ...

wut attitude? I dun force my opinions on anyone and Im not saying IM RIGHT always, am I? Sorry if I gave u that impression. There's a difference between preaching good and forcing ppl to believe in u. I think I preach good...I dun force ppl to believe in my toughts, do I?


** these ideals suit u ...

no I didnt choose these ideals cos it suits me! In fact it's very hard to be compassionate towards someone who hurts me. So yeah it doesnt suit me. I'd rather argue back with them and tell em off - it's much easier. But instead of doing that, I'd like to take the harder path and attain eternal bliss than temporary satistfaction. I'd like to TRY. And I'm gonna TRY. Thats what i mean. Cos most ppl dun wanna TRY.


**but what makes u sure if it works for another person

Cos I can see is that REVENGE doesnt work! If REVENGE worked d u think the world will be in this situation right now? Testing out Nuclear weapons, never-ending wars etc etc. What r they operating on? REVENGE. So yeah it doesnt work!



Keshi.

Keshi said...

Shitrint hey tnxx for pointing out the typo :):)

**sadly, not many ppl realise this and only want to blame others for wat might hav been their equal folly.

So true. Cos alot of ppl just say 'thats the way it works' and just go on with their lives. They dun stop to think.

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Dalicia heyy :)


**isn't it just human nature?

yes it is human nature. But compassion is also human nature. So why not focus on compassion instead of violence and revenge? Why do we always choose the negative path?


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HE ur right. It's a LEGAL system...thats why victims/families hardly get JUSTICE even after executing the criminals. There's no justice in death penalty. It's just revenge...thats how I see it.


**and should NEVER be allowed out in public. EVER.

true! Im not saying that they should walk out free. They should be sentenced for life and repent the horrible deeds they committed. Thats real punishment. So yeah build more prisons and cleanse the society. Give criminals a chance to realise their crimes and a chance to repent. Death is too easy.

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Anthony ty!

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Murane we all do get angry...we cant stop that. But acting on that anger has to be controlled. Thats where the lessons exist.


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Sojourner tnxxx!

**some people take the first step and lose all sense of morality after that.

thats true. The first reaction is always hazy. We must wait for a while to see things clearly.

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Annie WC n tnxxx!


**I say why fill it with garbage?

true. Alot of ppl easily 'follow' what others do. They wont stop to reason it within themselves. So yeah, if one cant handle garbage cleverly, just stop watching it :)

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Amy ty mwahhhhhhhh! I knew u wud think along the same lines.

:)

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Ghosty heyy hugggggz!

**Of course compassion means he just stays away, or forgives or forgets, but the soul doesnt know that, and wont be able to comprehend the acts of them.

well why doesnt the soul know it? Cos it doesnt stop to think and it acts on impulse.

We have to work on eradicating injustice and revenge together, cos they always co-exist.

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Phoenix tnxx!

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Aditi heyyy!

**I do believe that no regime or person should have the power to take someone else's life.

thats what Im saying too. If someone kills my brother, I'd cry and say that he had no right to kill my brother. But then if I go and kill the criminal, am I not doing the same thing, hence contradicting what I believe in?

yes its all abt power and greed too. And yeah not everyone is capable of taking that higher path in life. well-said!

tnxxx Aditi!

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Has_to_be_me hello!

**Revenge maybe sweet but the aftermath is disastrous

so true. The result of the actions of revenge r terrible. Alot of ppl realise it only too late.

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Pri heyy WB n tnxxx! :)


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Sunil hey I thought u were studying lol! :)

**That guy burned the house of his ex coz he never Loved her......

so true!

tnxx and Happy Diwali to u too mate! TC n good luck with exams!

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Sanjay heyyy howdy?

** lot of this is about letting go, which a whole ot of people cannot and if you can't then it really is hard to come to terms with oneself

thats so true. It's all abt 'letting go' and not many can do that. Well-said. Letting go is not very easy. I find it hard to do too. But after a while u realise...somehow u realise that holding onto the hurt is never gonna let u move on either. So let go and go! :)


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Foddie heyy tnxx! Im glad u liked this post.


** I leave it to their fate and conscience ie if they have one!!

OMG thats so true. I like what u said there. Leaving it to their fate n concience is a great way of letting go. And thats not revenge. If u cant teach them, then leave them. And hopefully they'll realise it some day. If not, then it's their own loss. Great words there girl!


** have gone 2 yrs hell after I got married with 'new' family who are supposed to be 'like parents'!I am bitter and I am sorry I cannot let go!! HELP!! Therapy, pleeaseee!!

Im so sorry to hear all this Foodie. Why r in-laws always a big problem? I hear this from all my married friends. Well all I can say it that they do that cos they hold on to their son as if he's their property. parent must realise that kids r not their property and that they too have their own lives after marriage. Anyways u be the wise one and just ignore their remarks. Be kind and compassionate to them without being too naive. Always be the smart one ;-)

ok I'll check ur blog soon, ty sweety HUGGGGGGGGZ!


Keshi.

SaffronSaris said...

Poppy doll-pearl, this is an insightful post and I couldn't agree with you more. It seems to be a vestige of our savage days when survival was of parmount importance. Even today, revenge plays out in different forms, and conflicts and wars are but prominant displays of agression that will get on the headlines.

Keshi said...

Kulpreet yeah it happens cos of expectations.

**It is just the survival of the fittest

yeah but surely surviving doeant mean killing each other?

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TT hello!

**what a misleading post. One already has a problem, say, of anger, and now you say he should create a new one . "I must not be angry".

Misleading to u cos u didnt understand the post TT. I didnt say u must not be angry! How can we never be angry? Its a natural emotion embedded in us since the day we r born. We all get angry. But that doesnt mean we all should act violently as a result of that anger. Thats what I mean. We have a right to be angry abt something but we have no right to act violently cos of that.


**Let the anger, revenge, jealousy, fully flower. Only then can it be out of your system.

let anger fully flower? yeah then we wud have blood-baths at homes. duhhhhhhh TT some great advice there!


**And things are different, when they are at your doorstep.

yeah I know that. It looks like some ppl here think that Im sitting on a bed of roses and telling ppl to be compassionate. Well Im not. I have had a very traumatising life too. I have had 2 close uncles killed by the LTTE. They both came home in sealed coffins. I have seen their families suffer, hitting rock bottom. Did I go join some terror group cos of that? NO! Cos I have the capacity to THINK b4 I act. Thats the difference between me and those ppl who love violence and use it as temp medication.

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Ori heyy!

**was a coward who couldn't be man enough to live his own life and wanted a woman to prove his manhood. What a coward.

so true!


**Vengeance belongs to God and God will avenge the innocent.

ty Ori!

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Pecos_Blue heyy!

**It is a shame that those have to be called the 7 wonders not the 7 normal habits of humans

So true. Cos alot of ppl take them for granted and never really use em. So when someone really uses these 7 gifts we have been given, then they become wonders.


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KAP hello huggggggggz!

** when you see injustice everywhere and when you are the victim for no fault of yours, things feel different

yeah I know. At the beginning its really hard. But think abt it this way KAP. Just cos something happened to u or ur loved-ones cos of no fault of ur's, does that give us the right to be violent? What do we achieve from it?


** but i cannnot "forgive or forget"... and cant help it....

yes it hars KAP, I know. But the more u live in the hurt, the more u hurt. there'll never be a solution or peace of mind. Give compassion a chance and see how u feel. try it KAP.

HUGGGGGGGGGZ sweety TC!


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LaVida tnxxx!

**..the other person has to be proved wrong NO MATTER WHAT

yeah thats what it is. Now I keep quiet or I just agree to disagree and smile :)

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Kavi heyy tnxx!

**. And nobility is always a difficult virtue

thats true. And no Im not born with it either and I have had a tough life too. And its not easy to achieve complete nobility...its a constant effort and Im glad Im thinking this way. ty n hugggggggz!

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Punjabi_Car_Freak :) no probs.

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Exasparater hello!

**.. the world needs love, selfless love.. when someone is unstable they switch into taking revenge...

so true. Selfishness is the cause for revenge.

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Akshay tnxxx!

yes alot of ppl love to hate.

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Pallavi heyyy!

** Not revenge but we still need to make sure to let people know if they are wrong!

fair enough. Im not saying u should be compassionate in a way that shuts u up. When u feel that they were in the wrong, u have to say it. And if they still dun take ur word, then walking away is better than argueing forever to be right. That way if they were really wrong, someday they'll come back to u. And if u were wrong, u'd go back to them after realising it. Time is the key.

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AB heyy tnxxx!

**is due to revenge, and as long as people feel that desire, the violence will continue.

true. But if we all work on minimising that desire, this world wud be a much better place.




Keshi.

starry nights said...

I am with you on this Keshi. compassion instead of revenge.how true.I especially like these lines"Your greatest 'Revenge' from anything/anyone should really be to LIVE in a manner that's not the same as your opponent's. Love your enemy "

Keshi said...

Saffy ur spot on HUGGGGGGGZ!


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Staryy tnxxx! HUGGGGGGZ!



Keshi.

samuru999 said...

Thanks for checking on me sweetie!
It's just a cold I have...
getting better!

Keshi....
you are just like a sister to me...
a gift to the heart...
a friend to the spirit...
and
a golden thread to the
meaning of life!

HUGGGGGGGGGGGGZ!

Margie

Keshi said...

awwww thats such a beautiful thing to say Margie...I dun think I deserve so much praise but we r there for each other...thats for sure. HUGGGGGGGGGZ!

Sending u smiley tissues across the miles :)


Keshi.

alex said...

To live.....

And to love....

Beautiful thought Keshi! :)

Ganesh Ranganathan said...

beleive me Keshi, hanging is a far more pleasant way to die, than to be blown to bits on a subway train.

Hanging lasts 40 seconds....what about the pain of a person who has been crippled for life in a bomb blast.

In the New delhi bomb blasts, a 7 year old boy and and a 9 year old girl lost both their parents in the bomb blasts. They were leading happy lives and would have continued to do so, had it not been for one brainwashed maniac planting a deadly bomb. They were both sent to an orphanage

And If you ask me if I want that maniac to be put to death, I say yes. It may be cruel, heartless, but I still say he should die.

Keshi said...

Alex thanks!

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Ganesh heyy!

**Hanging lasts 40 secon

Does time matter? Its just gruesome to kill someone, thats all I know. Apparently if the hanging goes wrong, the victim suffers in the ropes for minutes! How 'better' is that than being blown to pieces in seconds?

Yeah I understand that criminals r barbaric and ruin ppl's lives. But by killing that criminal, do those kids get their parents back? And by us killing the criminal, arent we demonstrating the criminal's state of mind too?



Keshi.

punjabi~car~freak! said...

hey Keshi darlin...
just chill out!!!

dont watch so much vioence yaar seriously If u start keeping an eye on the hatred and enemities everywhere then u'll end up getting depressed...

anyways if u r depressed u have my shoulders all the time!

and thanks a million for commeting regularly on my blog... u r a sweetheart!

saby said...

its not revenge dummy
its possession

if i cant have u
nobody else will

its SATI
i dont agree

i am in love with a widow
let us not be a dog in the manger

if u have a sexual dysfunction dat dont allow u to copulate

will u demand dat your wife remain celibate too?

- Lady Chatterrlees lover

Twisted DNA said...

Quite an apt post of the times. Reading about all those revenge killings in Iraq ia just heart breaking.

You put your feelings into words quite well. I can feel what you are feeling.

saby said...

Keshi

have u considered being a single mom?

i mean like Susmita Sen


Biology is the least of what makes someone a mother. ~Oprah Winfrey

Jeevan said...

You brought a great message here Keshi. Buddha’s message on the pic was very true, we should not see through other’s eyes, we should see on our Own. When we die there will be none, except our loved once who spend little drop of water for our soul. Thinking of revenge is normal; we can’t except a Gandhi, Jesus, or Mother Theresa in every one. Revenge should be on good actions; if some one helps us we must do the same when they need.

Recently there was news in India that a special court has sentenced death to a Peron form Kashmir for attacking our Parliament. Now most of the people and Human rights are protesting for his sentence but the politician of opposite urge to kill.

Silvara said...

It's an age old issue that has come from years of senseless killings - Our idea of what is 'fair' and 'just' is so skewed that in our mistaken idea of being that we are really just acting out our thirst for revenge. The Amish school killings just recently - the Amish community just created a fund for the family (wife and kids) of the killer that killed their children. It takes a lot of strong people and a lot of love and compassion to look beyond the hurt and the pain and reach out to others. I commed them greatly for that - I just wish the rest of the world could follow suit.

Take care Keshi :)

Silvara said...

It's an age old issue that has come from years of senseless killings - Our idea of what is 'fair' and 'just' is so skewed that in our mistaken idea of being that we are really just acting out our thirst for revenge. The Amish school killings just recently - the Amish community just created a fund for the family (wife and kids) of the killer that killed their children. It takes a lot of strong people and a lot of love and compassion to look beyond the hurt and the pain and reach out to others. I commend them greatly for that - I just wish the rest of the world could follow suit.

Take care Keshi :)

twistedtruth said...

""
Let anger fully flower? yeah then we wud have blood-baths at homes. duhhhhhhh TT some great advice there!

**And things are different, when they are at your doorstep.

yeah I know that. It looks like some ppl here think that Im sitting on a bed of roses and telling ppl to be compassionate. Well Im not. I have had a very traumatising life too. I have had 2 close uncles killed by the LTTE. They both came home in sealed coffins. I have seen their families suffer, hitting rock bottom. Did I go join some terror group cos of that? NO! Cos I have the capacity to THINK b4 I act. Thats the difference between me and those ppl who love violence and use it as temp medication.""

Unfortunaltely, commenting on a blog is terribly inadequate compared to a face-to-face discussion.

By "fully flower", I menat that allow anger, jealousy, etc. to fully flower in the mind. Its only when you prevent it from flowering, and allow reason to take over, do the violent acts occur.

Keshi, its so sad that you lost two uncles in LTTE violence. Accept my sympathies. But, national politics is a different issue altogether. Its a mob then.

Schrodingers cat said...

Everyone have their own sets of reality and all their actions are based on their past accumulated knowledge. So as long as we dont take it personally and give everyone their own breathing space and show them that their lives are as important to us as ours, they will see their own stupidity. But that doesnt mean we shouldnt respond. Response doesnt come from the ego, reaction does. So I will respond if someone interferes with my integrity. But thats just me and I might be wrong.

Cheers

M.

AmitKen said...

Humans are the most unpredictable animals. The power to think that humans have is a double edged sword, and we all pay it.

Hey! Keshi,
how have u been, i know it's been a long time. hope you are doing well....
i think i m back to blogging, and i hope to continue it :)

http://amitken.wordpress.com

Ganesh Ranganathan said...

But if we do not kill the criminal, he will engage in more such acts, killing more people.

You see, we can't reform terrorists, they undergo heavy indoctrination, complete brainwashing. Life imprisonment is also not a choice since, others will kidnap, hijack planes to get them released.

The society has to make a chance between conscience and survival. And it choses survival.

Eclipsed Thoughts said...

KAP...
hey i so much agree with you... compassion is a great healer and solution... but it is so hard... it is difficult to wipe out those "hurt" and pain from your mind and sometimes its hell to live those moments every time....

Revenge is not a solution but sometimes i think will those criminal-maniacs ever improve??? It is difficult to forgive the people who show no signs of improvement... who dont regret their mistakes or stop-making them over and over again....

Few pains i can forgive, few i cannot at all... but yes one thing... with time, slowly the intensity of anger and hatred decreases... not total forgiveness but i get back to moderate level where i can start seeing things differently and stop hurting myself.... i know it still is a long way for me to go... still trying....

hmmm....
so when's your trip gonna be??? sometime later???

The Phoenix said...

I think revenge is a reflex, much like any other reflex - it takes no thinking at all.

That's supposed to be what separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

smiley said...

u r right, the whole world would end blind, if we seek an eye for an eye. hopefully peace and love will prevail

priya said...

Keshi:

As human beings we all have a negative feelingswihtin us and when the timing or situation comes, we use it in a hard way. Being negative itself can make a person to go to an extreme and act little whacky.

Anonymous said...

Hey Keshi!!
nice to know about these kind of real life incidents... but its difficult to use heart before head at these kind of situations, A gandhian like me can but how about normal people? ;)

dumbdodi said...

Can't agree more also ironically in wars and these mass killings innocent souls get killed as someone's attempt to take revenge on governments, political bodies on which common people have no say anyways.

SamY said...

** Say u have a lil brother. He goes and does naughty things again n again.

capital punishment is not given for being naughty ... but if he does go around killing people n shows no improvement subject to rehabilitation then he deserves death ... if u can make an alternate arrangement that he can't enter the society again fine as well :)

for that matter parents forgive their children few times n then they DO punish, if its way too much they disown ... its the same with judicial system

** Has anyone ever given compassion a chance yet? I dont think so!

u only get to know bout cases where ppl r given capital punishment ... in most cases law does give em an opportunity to improve ... unfortunately that is never noticed or publicised ... only in gravest of situation is death bestowed n ppl talk as tho judicial system is satanic ... dyu know that scores of people have their life sentences cut after showing improvement? dun u think thats compasion

** wut attitude? I dun force my opinions on anyone

it not about forcing nutty ... its ur expectation that others c things the way u do ... u believe that compassion works with all kind of people ... other's don't

** Cos most ppl dun wanna TRY

common man ... I agree ... but a countries judicious system r seldome like that esp where its democratic ... what percentage of criminals r given capital punishment? it wudn't even touch 1%

compasion to a common thief makes sense ... but to a terrorist who takes pride in killing? ... u expect 100 compasionate ppl to die before this one reckless man changes? when it comes to society its always in the larger interest ... n hence capital punishments

** Cos I can see is that REVENGE doesnt work!

u see it as revenge ... others c it as justice ... perspectives vary ;)

If u deem capital punishment as revenge then it doesn't I agree :) ... but leaving the guy back in society is asking for trouble

by saying baseless NO to capital punishment u not solving any problem ... if u/someone really see's a means to bring back those criminals to what WE CALL SANITY ... then we wudn't need capital punishment ... unfortunately we dun ... so we choose the best options out of the worst

the problem is not with ur opinion keshi ... but ur idealism

the world is far from ideal ... expecting society to change all of a sudden is impractical ... changing peoples view takes time ... majority wins ... as of today majority believe that punishing works ... n believe me there r a whole lot of people who r in fact compassionate ... the world has more good ppl than bad :)

ppl need proof ... history has led people to believe capital punishment is a deterrent ... but if u/anyone can make people believe (plz spare preaching, it doesn't sell anymore) compassion works then it will win

if u can make ppl believe that compassion outweighs its repurcussions then ppl will buy it

terrorists kill so many planting bomb in train ... u show compassion to em ... they bail out n plant yet another bomb

if u complaint that the judicial system is weak, then until its is fixed, capital punishment will prevail

so no point in talking absolutes that compasion IS the solution ... gandhi / buddha didn't just preach ... they spoke less ... the results they produced spoke for em ... ppl will change if results r shown

but ppl will never buy taking out capital punishment to have those criminals out again for another spell :)

the problem with we common ppl today is we believe n preach things blindly ... society requires results of acceptable scale ... until then things wudn't change

:P fuzzbox said...

The human condition seems to require retribution. Compassion is easier said than done.

SCRIBBLEZ TO WAKEUP said...

I agree tht revenge creates more pain always...keshi, can we just go and tell and tell a Mom or a dad or a sis or a bro or a child or a wife or a husband that "show the other cheek" when their loves ones, mainly innocent have been blown by some violence...We all want to adapt to the non- revenge mode, but it is sometimes not possible...

We can probably resort to non violent revenge or just I want answer syndrome and I want tht person behind bars for doing this or tht....It is a natural instinct and unless felt firsthand we may be a bit too shallow to analyse it...

Ofcourse there r rare people like you, who have a large mind n heart too. Very impressive...

I dont know where I would fit..I would want the law to take thing sseriously and punish the offenders in severe ways and also get them to some therapy if tht would help.

Again, I just wrote out a lot! Dont know wht I wrote!

Anonymous said...

Well said,Keshi..You never fail me ^0^

vengeance...a very rubbish word.
we dont claim any reward from it..

"Compassion heals and from compassion comes real solutions."..,a very good knowledge from Buddhism,yeah,I agree.

and the Christian says,"if someone throw a stone in you,try to toss a bread in return"...but its hardly be done.

yeah,anger shouldnt be in our hearts forever..let it go,let it pass,so ou mind wont be ugly as a course..

thanx Keshi..I had a good read..as usual.

have a lovely day!!

Keshi said...

Punjabi heyy, Im chilled :)

**anyways if u r depressed u have my shoulders all the time!

awwww thats so sweet, ty!

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Heyyy Saby!

**its not revenge dummy
its possession

revenge comes from possession etc etc.

I know..its all abt if I cant have it, then u cant too. Stupid behavior.

Saby na I dun wanna be a single mum...not yet :)


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Twisted_DNA heyy!

**those revenge killings in Iraq ia just heart breaking.

yeah they r sooo very sad.


**You put your feelings into words quite well. I can feel what you are feeling.

ty so much for understanding what I really mean. Not all do. HUGGGGGGGZ!

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Jeevan heyy tnxxx for that!


**When we die there will be none, except our loved once who spend little drop of water for our soul.

Exactly!


**Revenge should be on good actions; if some one helps us we must do the same when they need.

What a beauty! ty for saying this. I hope everyone reads this.


**Now most of the people and Human rights are protesting for his sentence but the politician of opposite urge to kill.

Thats a silly reason to even consider death penalty! I hope h gets clemency and a jail term.

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Silvara hello hows u sweety?


**Our idea of what is 'fair' and 'just' is so skewed that in our mistaken idea of being that we are really just acting out our thirst for revenge.

So true girl. Many of the comments here that support death penalty r based on that skewed idea.


**the Amish community just created a fund for the family (wife and kids) of the killer that killed their children.

I read that. That is TRUE compassion. These ppl r amazing. And if they can be like that, Im sure others can too. IF ONLY THEY TRY that is.

ty for ur very beautiful comment Silvara! HUGGGGGGGGGGGZ!

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Heyy TT!


**Unfortunaltely, commenting on a blog is terribly inadequate compared to a face-to-face discussion.

yeah :)


**By "fully flower", I menat that allow anger, jealousy, etc. to fully flower in the mind. Its only when you prevent it from flowering, and allow reason to take over, do the violent acts occur.

Understood.


**Keshi, its so sad that you lost two uncles in LTTE violence. Accept my sympathies. But, national politics is a different issue altogether. Its a mob then.

Both my uncles were in the forces. One was blown into pieces from a land mine.And the other was at a mayor's meeting when a suicide terrorist ended it all from strapped bombs.

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Schrodingers_cat heyyy!


**Everyone have their own sets of reality and all their actions are based on their past accumulated knowledge.

yes. But those ideas cant be violent. We have no right to be violent towards anyone, even a criminal.


**But that doesnt mean we shouldnt respond. Response doesnt come from the ego, reaction does. So I will respond if someone interferes with my integrity.

ofcourse u HAVE to respond. But the WAY u respond matters and that decides what kind of results u get.

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AmitKen heyyy hellooo WB! Where have u been mate? I missed ya!


**Humans are the most unpredictable animals. The power to think that humans have is a double edged sword, and we all pay it.

aha thats true.


**i think i m back to blogging, and i hope to continue it :)

thats great :) Im so glad!

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Hiiii Ganesh :)

**But if we do not kill the criminal, he will engage in more such acts, killing more people.

who asked to se him free?


**You see, we can't reform terrorists, they undergo heavy indoctrination, complete brainwashing.

In the same way, cant we brainwash them towards the other side? Towards goodwill? If u say u cant do that, then why is evil so powerful?


**Life imprisonment is also not a choice since, others will kidnap, hijack planes to get them released.

Even if u kill the terrorists, they will do the same. Has death penalty ever decreased/stopped the menace/crime? Crime has only increased recently and why is that?


**The society has to make a chance between conscience and survival. And it choses survival.

at the same time that choice seem to have created more n more death n destruction in this world. I wonder why.

Anyways Ganesh, lets just agree to disagree ok :) tnxxx!

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G'day KAP!


**compassion is a great healer and solution... but it is so hard...

why not try the harder way and earn long-lasting results. Or d u like to take the easy way and suffer? Just a question sweety :)


**Revenge is not a solution but sometimes i think will those criminal-maniacs ever improve???

I understand. But give them jail terms. Let them realise n repent.


**with time, slowly the intensity of anger and hatred decreases...

thats a good sign sweety. Im like u too. I get so angry in first instance, and then I realise. U have to give urself time to respond.


**i know it still is a long way for me to go... still trying....

hell yeah me too! By writing this post I dun mean I have attained Niravan lol! Im learning too. When I write such posts, I tend to think in terms with that next time ard. That helps me alot to be a better person. We r all learning sweety.


**so when's your trip gonna be??? sometime later???

next week :*( HUGGGGGGGGGGZ!

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The_Phoenix heyyy hows ya?


**I think revenge is a reflex, much like any other reflex - it takes no thinking at all.

so true. NO THINKING AT ALL.


**That's supposed to be what separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

omg so true. TY!

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Smiley ur ID always make me smile :) ty!


**u r right, the whole world would end blind, if we seek an eye for an eye. hopefully peace and love will prevail

ty so much!

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Priya

hello Priya!


**As human beings we all have a negative feelingswihtin us and when the timing or situation comes, we use it in a hard way.

ofcourse!


**Being negative itself can make a person to go to an extreme and act little whacky.

hehehe yes.

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KK Gandhi ji hows u? :)


**but its difficult to use heart before head at these kind of situations...

I know. It's very hard. As I can see from many comments here. Im glad u resolve to non-violence. Indeed a great man :)


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Dumbdodi hugggggggggggz!

**someone's attempt to take revenge on governments, political bodies on which common people have no say anyways.

yep...its all abt revenge and the common man is the victim.

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Samy! whoaaaa Keshi takea a deap breath! :)


**capital punishment is not given for being naughty ...

duhhhhh Samy that was an example!


**if u can make an alternate arrangement that he can't enter the society again fine as well :)

well isnt there that arrangement already?


**in most cases law does give em an opportunity to improve ...

in 'most' cases? How d u know? Most ppl who r on death row r never given a chance! Samy u gotta talk facts, not what u assume.


**dyu know that scores of people have their life sentences cut after showing improvement?

ofcourse I know! Thats compassion and that great. I didnt say thats not compassion.


**it not about forcing nutty ... its ur expectation that others c things the way u do ...

no I dun expect u to see things the way I see. Cos I know u wont.We r just having a discussion here and no one is forced to see things the way another sees.


**compasion to a common thief makes sense ... but to a terrorist who takes pride in killing? ...

but u take pride in killing too? Does that make u a terrorist then? :)


**u expect 100 compasionate ppl to die before this one reckless man changes?

I dun expect ppl to die. As u say, the world is not perfect..there r all sorts of ppl..there r terrorists that kill others. We cant stop that but when that happens, we shouldnt go down to their levels and take revenge by making DEATH the solution. Then we r TERRORISTS too! Cos we use Terror as a means of rehabilitation there - how sad! Samy please don't tell me u dun understand what Im saying here.


**u see it as revenge ... others c it as justice ... perspectives vary ;)

Justice my ass! Sorry Samy it is certainly not JUSTICE. After he's dead, what d u get? Where's the justice coming from hanging someone? Tell me plz. THAT IS REVENGE. Few moments of revenge that wont bring u any lasting closure. U may not see it that way, but thats what it is.


**the world is far from ideal ... expecting society to change all of a sudden is impractical ...

I didnt EXPECT the society to change overnight. This very troubled world is far away from achieving that. But as long as good ppl like u and Southy and many more commentors here continue to think it is OK to KILL someone, I dun think the world will ever change. It scares me, seriously! Now I have zilch expectations of the world realising compassion at all.


**peoples view takes time ... majority wins ... as of today majority believe that punishing works ... n believe me there r a whole lot of people who r in fact compassionate ... the world has more good ppl than bad :)

U say majority believes in killing criminals and u also say the world has MORE comapssionate ppl. What a total contradiction! :)


**history has led people to believe capital punishment is a deterrent ...

history didnt even have this much crime! Now its only increasing. So how has capital punishment helped the society Samy?


**but if u/anyone can make people believe (plz spare preaching, it doesn't sell anymore) compassion works then it will win

Im not trying to sell Preaching! This is my blog and I will preach whatever I want na. If u think it's not gonna help anyone, then thats what u think Samy. But I had many comments saying that this post really helped them to realise alot of things in their lives. Thats good enough preaching then, with true results :) So Im happy. It may not have helped u and some others, but I cant help that.


**if u can make ppl believe that compassion outweighs its repurcussions then ppl will buy it

This is not abt buying n selling Samy! Im not trying to make ppl believe things! Im saying things from experiences in my own life. It seems that u see this as some sort of spicy post to make ppl believe my opinions. Then u have read the whole things wrong.


**terrorists kill so many planting bomb in train ... u show compassion to em ... they bail out n plant yet another bomb

Have they stopped doing it cos of death penalty? They r even ready to die while killing others. Suicide terrorism is on the rise Samy - wake up. So they r not scared of Death penalty LOL!


**so no point in talking absolutes that compasion IS the solution ... gandhi / buddha didn't just preach ... they spoke less ... the results they produced spoke for em ... ppl will change if results r shown

So u mean I should shut up and show results? Well too bad I cant show resulst to u cos we r miles away from each other. But it my life, COMPASSION has worked and helped me to move on. Too bad u dun even seem to know what compassion really is.


**the problem with we common ppl today is we believe n preach things blindly ...

yeah I know Im common and I preach alot Samy. No need to rub it in. I heard ya. btw I dun say anything in my blog BLINDLY. U may think so, but that doesnt make me one.


**society requires results of acceptable scale ... until then things wudn't change

Good luck to u!



Keshi.

Keshi said...

fuzzbox heyy!

**The human condition seems to require retribution. Compassion is easier said than done.

true...it's a very hard thing to achieve.

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Scribblez heyy!


**keshi, can we just go and tell and tell a Mom or a dad or a sis or a bro or a child or a wife or a husband that "show the other cheek" when their loves ones, mainly innocent have been blown by some violence...

Maybe we can...I know its hard but did u read abt the Amish community's compassion on that killer's family? Some ppl can. So that means we can too. Scribblez 2 of my very close uncles were blown into pieces by the LTTE. I didnt joined the army to kill them. While it was really hard to forgive the killers at first, I tried my best to realise that by hating them and being violent just like them wont help me. Or my 2 dead uncles' souls. They r gone, so nothing I do right now will bring them back. Something bad happened cos the killers were hurting too for some reason. Their karma will come pay them back in a bunch. Im not the decider for that. God is.


**We all want to adapt to the non- revenge mode, but it is sometimes not possible...

I say it is possible..it may take time, but it's possible. It snot possible only cos we keep saying it's not possible.


**We can probably resort to non violent revenge or just I want answer syndrome and I want tht person behind bars for doing this or tht....

yes ofcourse! when non-violent revenge is available, why not use that? why always resolve to violence?


**Ofcourse there r rare people like you, who have a large mind n heart too. Very impressive...

no no I dun mean to say Im rare or someone like Mother Theresa :) Im learning too. Trust me it's REALLY REALLY hard. But what im saying is, we CAN achieve it, only if we try.


**I would want the law to take thing sseriously and punish the offenders in severe ways and also get them to some therapy if tht would help.

yes thats good. Thats the way it should be. but ceratinly not death.


**Again, I just wrote out a lot! Dont know wht I wrote!

no u did well :) ty n huggggggz!

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Hiyyaa Ghee MWAHHH!


**vengeance...a very rubbish word.
we dont claim any reward from it..

yeah it is. But Im saddened by some replies I got. Cos it shocked me how mistaken alot of ppl r abt justice and revenge.


**and the Christian says,"if someone throw a stone in you,try to toss a bread in return"...but its hardly be done.

thats a very nice quote. I will keep that in mind. Yeah not alot of ppl r willing to even realise what it means cos violence seems to be more easy and macho for them.


**yeah,anger shouldnt be in our hearts forever..let it go,let it pass,so ou mind wont be ugly as a course..

so true. ty Ghee ur an angel HUGGGGGGGGGGGGZ!



Keshi.

The Phosgene Kid said...

Just kidding. There is no list, as far as you know.

What's up???

Keshi said...

ok thanks ppl for all the comments here.

I may be wrong in trying out compassion. At the same time u may be wrong in trying out revenge. Seeking justice from all the violent avenues will never heal ur wounds. I wish to end this discussion with 2 quotes abt closure:


~~A person taking stock in middle age is like an artist or composer looking at an unfinished work; but whereas the composer and the painter can erase some of their past efforts, we cannot. We are stuck with what we have lived through. The trick is to finish it with a sense of design and a flourish rather than to patch up the holes or merely to add new patches to it.

--Harry S. Broudy



~~There is something beautiful about all scars of whatever nature. A scar means the hurt is over, the wound is closed and healed, done with.

--Harry Crews



ty all!
Keshi.

Keshi said...

Great to hear that Phos :)

Nuttin much...how abt ya?

Keshi.

southpaw said...

This is one subject where we can never agree on, so lets stick to our agreement on disagreement...:)

Keshi said...

yeah Southy :) tnxx!

Keshi.

Anonymous said...

**Indeed a great man
A big hug to you....First person to tell I am a great man :)

Ganesh Ranganathan said...

Yep..lets agree to disagree...

I am quite stubborn and will give counter arguments to anything you say...and looks like you are pretty much the same..

So, lets call it a day and hope that Afzal is hanged to death... :-))

Anonymous said...

haha!an angel?i would be one if you are beside me :)

but heyy,you have a healthy discussion here,great and interesting reading other s thoughts :D

Keshi said...

KK :)

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Ganesh yeah good idea :)

**So, lets call it a day and hope that Afzal is hanged to death

that will b ur wish, not mine!


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ty Ghee sweety HUGGGGGGGGGGZ!


Keshi.

Dawn....सेहर said...

I wish everyone could understand this...then there wouldnt have been any bad things happening!
I always remember my granny's words... "there is nothing bigger meditation than forgiving someone" and I remember when she said these words...that time I was a kid...but am glad it stick in my mind and heart...not only as a msg but in practical am able to do so
Awesome post dear...
Cheers

Keshi said...

Dawny ur granma is a precious lady. Im so glad she shared that with ya. Wut ppl say when we r little, sticks in our hearts forever.

Huggggggggz!

Keshi.

Known Stranger said...

is luck a postive word or a negative. good luck and bad luck. - so luck is a gender less unless a adjective is used similiarly is revenge.

Keshi said...

no idea KS :)

Keshi.