Monday, November 28

Weddings, oh so gay!

Alright we all know that weddings are gay - happy :) But that's not exactly what I mean here. Last week, there was a wedding held in Sydney...but there was no bride with a long white dress, 'cos it was between two prominent men. It was aired on TV and radio for the first time and alot of publicity was given to it, amidst rejection and protesting from some anti-gay groups and many viewers. Those who oppposed to this wedding believed that marriage should only be between a man and a woman as per tradition, and that that's how children are supposed to come into this world. They also stated that marriage should not be marketed as a same sex union and that this should not be exposed to younger generation in a way that the tradition is affected. The gay and lesbian rights' supporters stated that Marriage should be allowed for any 2 people who love and care for each other irrespective of their sex. What they said was that after all, marriage means loving and caring for one another and it should not matter whether it's between 2 men, 2 women or a man and a woman. They also stated that children are and can be well-brought up by gay and lesbians and it's not an issue to even consider.

While all this was being argued on TV, I was wondering how I used to think about homosexuality before - I'll be honoest, I used to think it's wrong and against human nature - but not anymore. Because I'm more matured now and I have learnt to accept people for who they are, not for how they choose to love and live. While I'm as straight as Chinese hair lol, I respect another's sexual preference be it gay or bi or whatever. It's purely personal and I have no right to judge anyone on that. Honestly if 2 people love and care for each other unconditionally, then that's what a true union is all about, whether they have a wedding or not. Besides, some people don't even find true love in their whole life, so if they do find Love even in an unconventional way, why not just let them be? It's their life, not your's so you don't have a say in it. I know that certain religions don't approve of gay marriages, but it's almost like being vegetarian or not - it's really your choice, isn't it. About children being raised by same-sex parents, I have no idea what it would be to grow up like that so I don't think I can speak for someone else. Maybe it's good, maybe it's bad or maybe it's even better than having a woman and a man shouting at each other all their life while the children suffer. What matter for children's wellbeing are rational parents not just a mother and a father. And there are many single parents who raise children alone, so why not have 2 dads or 2 mums :) What really matters is whether true Love exists...whether the trust and faith in each other exist...whether together they can raise good kids. It should not bother me how the other person chooses to live as long as it does not harm me or anyone else. What do you think about gay marriages? I also ask you another question - What would you say/do if your loved-one (be it brother, sister, daughter, son, best-friend or anyone at all) came upto you and told you they were homosexual? Be honest with your answers please, thanks :)

97 Cranium Signets:

Kerry said...

*lmao*

well of course, *clears her throat and laughs* i am all for it darling! *stands tall and proud*

great post! communicstion is the only key to understanding and respect. hey, i can appreciate others opinions and views too. we are all individuals with our own thoughts and opinions-to each his/her own...

Trée said...

Keshi, in my mind nothing would be different than before. My love for them is not conditional.

tulipspeaks said...

wow....after soooooooooo long..me third!!!

tulipspeaks said...

about children being raised by same-sex parents, I have no idea what it would be to grow up like that so I don't think I can speak for someone else.

this is my major concern..as i have said this before (Jessie-Joshua's union). both of us can't speak of others, but we definitely going to be around to watch the consequences of these unions..


What do you think about gay marriages? I also ask you another question - What would you say/do if your loved-one came upto you and told you they were homosexual?Be honest with your answers please

lolz..dear, i am always honest with my answers..and for me, gay marriage is still something unacceptable..if a Western country like Aus still debating on this issue, what one can expect from a Muslim-majority country like mine? my mentality will be "about the same" like my countrymen, at least in this issue

i'll be the last person one wanna confide on their sexual preference.rofl..well, it'll be hard to accept..but then, time decides on everything..may be in few years time i'll be more liberal/open to this kind of ideas..for now, NO


muuuaxxx and hugssss

=am000nie=

Johnny B. Good said...

i just love woomen
if in my next life i am born as a woman

i will definitrly be les

Johnny B. Good said...

now lemme read wat kesh has to say
if she differs

there will be hell to pay
Amutha is history

Johnny B. Good said...

Marriage should be allowed for any 2 people who love and care for marriage means loving and caring for one another and it should not matter whether it's between 2 men, 2 women or a man and a woman.


i love u keshi
u have come a long way

Johnny B. Good said...

INCREASE AND MULTIPY is not a commandment

children need love
not legally sanctifird marriage


KRAMER vs KRAMER

saby said...

Keshi

i get the feeling u gonna loose more than half yr fan following

Het Waghela said...

I think its something against nature. Whenever, human goes against nature there is always a natural calamity. Thats what I think.
Nice blog Keshi.

Kerry said...

*smiles* g'nite keshi. i am sure you are going to be very busy reading lots of comments now.
i'll return soon...

uttara said...

knock knock .. is any1 there .. i mean my keshi darlzzzzzz

have a gr88 day sweets ...........muaaaahhhhhh

uttara

Puggyspice said...

I would be thrilled if someone close to me told me they were homosexual. Because it would mean they were accepting this part of themselves!!! And it would also be nice they knew they didn't have to hide it from me. I think gay marriage should be legal because it's love between two consenting adults and they should have the same legal rights as heterosexual couples are entitled to with marriage.

Nitika said...

ohhhhoooo i missed two post already!!!!!!!

this post rob ma mind
i don't know how would i react coz of little knowledge on this sorts of stuff..................
marriage betn man..or a gay....gosh!!! can they bring up child i mean prgnency is impossible for them ni!!!.............
:x :stars:
okay u take care
hugggggggssssssszzzzzzzz

saby said...

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Courage is a UK-based, not for profit, evangelical Christian organisation.

Courage UK is not the Catholic ministry promoting chastity founded by Father John Harvey (based in New York, with other branches worldwide).

If you are looking for that organisation, please go to www.couragerc.org. The UK branch of CourageRC (known as EnCourage) can be found at www.encouragetrust.org.uk.


Who is it for?
Gay and lesbian Christians who are seeking a safe place of friendship in which to reconcile their faith and sexuality and grow towards Christian maturity

Their partners and friends, parents and other family members
Churches that need a resource to help them understand the issues and needs of gay, lesbian and bisexual (GLB) people

Gay people without a faith who are seeking answers to life’s questions.

Our focus is:
our relationship with God

And our objectives are:
to work out our Christian discipleship together, in a way that is consistent with the teaching of Scripture, especially for those who are gay or lesbian
to dialogue with our brothers and sisters in churches who find homosexuality difficult to understand or accept
and to communicate the Good News to all who do not know Jesus Christ.

In addition to the articles, testimonies and links that are found on this website, an additional resource, providing a huge wealth of articles by Tony Cross on subjects of interest and concern to evangelical and gay Christians, can be found on the Tony Cross Column.

What’s New
These pages have been newly added to the site or recently updated:

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Should the Church be willing to bless same-sex relationships?
by Jeremy Marks

Weaker brothers, damnable heretics - and how to tell the difference
by Dr Roy Clements




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Comments on the Windsor Report:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
by Tony Cross
The Eames Report, commissioned by the Archbishop of Canterbury to look into ways in which the churches of the Anglican Communion could move forward together, in spite of strong differences in views about homosexuality, was published on the 18th October. Officially named the Windsor Report, its reception has been somewhat mixed. Tony Cross comments in six articles.




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Jesus said to his disciples:
, ‘I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth.’
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saby said...

Keshi

i salute u for speaking out for the oppressed

GOD bless u girl

strawy said...

omg,keshuu ,to be honest mez totally against it , coz its so unnatural na... n if i find some1 close to me is homosexual,it will hurt for sure but then its their life ,wat can i do...i will be happy with them....
but mez so againt it ...
it will be hard for me to accept it ,but i wont have any choice na ..

nice post babez

nice to come on 1st 20 list ..lolz
hugss sweety
love ya

saby said...

a mom's story ...

I heard myself say, ‘I’m glad that God gave me a gay son’ – and I paused, and then added, ‘that’s the first time I have ever said that.’ But I knew it was true, and that I had removed the barb that had been paining me for such a long time.

Steve didn’t choose to be gay; that was, I believe, the way God made him.

Yes, I am so grateful that my son is gay.

I’m grateful for all I have learned in these past years. I only wish that I’d had greater understanding and wisdom to support him as he needed support in those early years. I was immature and unequipped … but such is the nature of life.

Thank you for listening to me.

saby said...

dat was gott here, read it

http://www.courage.org.uk/testimonies/Margaret.shtml

u will cry

saby said...

PSSSSST!

i was gay in college hostel fo a while

Gangadhar said...

Keshi,here's why I support traditional marriage and oppose same sex marriage:
Sexual activity between men and women used to be closely linked to procreation.
Before science changed everything, people couldn't have children without engaging in heterosexual sex. Before birth control was widely available, the odds were that a man and woman engaging in repeated heterosexual sex would end up having children.
Today one could be forgiven for not remembering that heterosexual sex can lead to children and children can not be had without heterosexual sex.
Same sex marriage removes any link between procreation and marriage as an institution.
To be sure, two men can have children. But any children that a homosexual couple has did not result from the two partners engaging in sexual activity.
For supporters of same sex marriage, this is immaterial. Love is the criterion for marriage, not abstract procreative ability.
But if love is the criterion for marriage, it is difficult to argue against allowing group marriages, three men marrying five women, for example.
Redefining marriage to include same sex relationships would place a man/man relationship on the same legal plane as a man/woman relationship. I doubt that this is good public policy. Society to attempt to make sure a large percentage of its children are raised by a mother (female) and a father (male).
This doesn't mean that gay adoption and gay parenting should be completely banned. But society should indicate its preference for children to be raised in a household headed by a mother and father.
The fundamental differences between men and woman ultimately makes same sex relationships different from heterosexual relationships. Calling them both by the same name isn't going to fool anyone into ignoring their differences.
Btw Thanx for dropping by at my blog

saby said...

to be my disciple
all u gotta do is

Love God and neighbour,
dats it



Burn the whole fucking bible
if it misguides u

-Jesus

Keshi said...

***Kerry

muahh girl! Communication indeed is the key to understanding and respect. U have a good nite's sleep hugggz now!










***Tre

Thanks matey..I knew u would be unconditional :)










***Amu

Thanks Am000nie, I know wut u mean. If a counrty like Aus has so many anti-gay ppl still, then wut can one expect from a country like Malaysia. Even I used to thin otherwise until recently I began to think liberally...look at all the crime around us...so why not say Yes to 2 ppl's Love? :)










***Johnny

I agree...children need love
not legally sanctifird marriage. That is so true! Thanks!










***Saby

I'm not here to gain commentors lol! If some ppl r gonna distance from me due to what I think abt homosexuals, then let it be so. Then they r not worthy of being my friends anyways :) And na I wont allow nameless fellows here.

**i salute u for speaking out for the oppressed

lolz thanks...I always respect someone else's choice as long as it's not violent or humilating to others...











***Het

Hey Het WC to my blog and thanks! I agree on what u say that when there's something against nature, there's always a natural calamity...but what would be the calamity in this case? :)










***Uttara

muahhhhhhhh sunshine! I missed ya during the weekend :(










***Puggyspice

Hey hello girl :)

Thats so true when u say that if they chose to confide in someone, that means they accepted it.

** because it's love between two consenting adults and they should have the same legal rights as heterosexual couples...

so true and thanks!










***Nitika

aww so cute lol! I know they cant be pregnant (the men), but they can adopt a kid na...thats what they mean :)










***Strawy

st000nieeee muahhhhhhhhhhhh Missed ya mountains like the Everest :)

aww st000nie why wud u be hurt if ur loved-one is gay? just tell me....

lolz whether u come 1st or last in post ur mah baby doll na? huggggggz!


Keshi.

strawy said...

i will be hurt coz i find it so disgusting re...
ewwwwwwwww
just yukzzzzz re
so unnatural
against the law of nature

hope mez not meanie..
missed ya tooo keshu
mez so busy working re
christmas time na
workload is increasing day by day
hugss re
miss uttara too
love ya both


st000nie

Keshi said...

***Gangadhar

hello matey thanks for that :)

lets see...

**But any children that a homosexual couple has did not result from the two partners engaging in sexual activity.


true...but does that make them less of a parent? doesnt parenthood depend on how u bring up the child and not on how u gave birth to it?


**But society should indicate its preference for children to be raised in a household headed by a mother and father.

what abt single mums and single dads? those kids dun have both parents...do they?


**Calling them both by the same name isn't going to fool anyone into ignoring their differences.

no one called them the same thing. Marriage can be rephrased for gays only - perhaps called it GayMarraige...but would that change ppl's minds?

There r vast differences between man and woman...I agree. But I think those who are homosexual are ppl who have more/less men/women hormones in their bodies. I dunno the medical explanation to this but I believe that's the case and that's why they feel that way. Is that something they can control?

Keshi.

Jewel Rays said...

"What do you think about gay marriages?"

What would you say/do if your loved-one (be it brother, sister, daughter, son, best-friend or anyone at all) came upto you and told you they were homosexual? Be honest with your answers please, thanks :)"

1) Well i still think its a unatural union. but however, i will not stand in a place that condemn them and their decisions. :) Its pretty common this days. have friends who are homosexuals.

2) Well i will definitely be surprise to find a family member choosing a same sex partner. will probably talk to him/her to ensure this is what he/she really wants? and probably ask a few questions. but once again i will not reject my family member and will stand behind him/her. but of course, let me be honest, if i have the chance to change his/her mind, i would.

Keshi said...

**Strawy

goshh u r a meanie too now lol! Did u have coffee with Uttara? lolllz!

na na we shouldnt say EWW to these ppl...they r just like us, just different hormones...thats all st000nie bubbbz :) And u should support such a person if they came and told u that they r homosexual...u shouldnt turn ur back on them...u r too good a heart for that na?










***My_Unveilings

Heyy hows u? :)

Good to hear u respect different ppl's choices.

**but once again i will not reject my family member and will stand behind him/her

thats great matey.

anyways why would utry to change them...cos I think it's not something that's changeable, it's in their hormones...:)

Thanks!
Keshi.

Ash said...

Well, i had a gay prof in my uni, he was weird but was an excellent teacher ..
need a little more time to answer about my opinion .....

icyblue said...

A mind-blogging post..!!!

My heart wud break if i knew that one of my family members was homo.... I would freeze.. In fact, just thinking abt it... ahhhhh... I'll break down over here..

Call me narrow-minded... but it aint my cup of tea...

Have a great week ahead..

Really mind-blowing :)

U really come up with good posts!!

Cheers!
Icy

Het Waghela said...

Well that calamity could be anything, it even could be the extinct of mankind.

Keshi said...

***Ash

WC to my blog and thanks! Takeur time...Im cool with it :)










***Icyblue

hey huggggz girl!

I totally u'stand u...even if one of my loved-ones came and said to me, I wou;d be in shock too. I wont be alright for a few days but I will support them no matter what..I wont love them less becos of that cos, even if it's not my cup of tea, I'm an individual...so r they :)

Thanks for ur encouragement Icy!










***Het

Hey hey WB :)

I dunno if there would ever be such a big calamity arising from homosexuals. Cos I believe that the majority of the world is heterosexuals...and to be gay/les, one should carry very rare imbalance of hormones...so there's no way the whole world would trun gay/les and destroy mankind...:) Just my 2c worth..hehe...no hard feelings :):)


Thanks all!
Keshi.

susubala said...

Keshi : Nice post and thought provoking.

May be western countries do believe in this, but we in India, don't believe in gay marriages. To be sincere, I can't accept this concept.

Anyways, its all depend on the individuality.

uttara said...

st000niee .... n keshiiiiiii
mez missing u both ...
keshi u had coffee with me .. so u became a meanie princess.
lollzzzzzzz
she is still in nursery ....hehehehhe

muahhhhh
missed u both
i will come with my comemnt in a while keshi .......:)))))

muahhh
uttara

icyblue said...

@keshi:

I wont be alright for a few days but I will support them no matter what..

Supporting them.... Gosh... I can't think of any other option... but it wud be the most difficult thing for me..

I wont love them less becos of that cos, even if it's not my cup of tea, I'm an individual...so r they :)

Surely I wudn't love them less...there is no question abt that... But I pray, i don't hv to face this situation..

hugggzz,
Icy

Keshi said...

**Susubala

hey thanks :) Yes I know India is very strict when it comes to these issues...and I respect what u think of it. Thank again!










***Uttara

hey angelic b......abez lol! yep come back with a meanie reply now :) Huggggggz see ya tomorrow ok!










***Icy

By supporting them I meant being there for them :) U know, I cant not be there for them just cos they chose different path na? So if they want to be like that, let em be...thats what I meant :)

Thanks girl, see u tomorrow too!
Huggggggggz!

Keshi.

Rahul said...

well keshi, i'd like to see homosexual civil unions called by a name other than marraige. They are entitled to all the rights and privileges of a married couple, but why cant they call it something else? Isn't marraige, the word, something that is between a woman and a man? Isn't that something society has used as a historical sanction of procreation? I'd like to see it remain that way...
About children, as you said, we dont have any stats, but my guess is that children need the care of both a father and a mother while growing up. Children who grow up in single parent homes have been found statistically be lesser prepared to cope with the world than their more gifted counterparts. Homosexual parents will love children as much, and they have every right to adopt. I hope they make up for any natural deficiency with their love and prove me wrong.
About the question, it would be incredibly shocking, but i know that it wouldnt change anything... (unless of course it is some girl iam madly in love with ;-))

Autumn Storm said...

Another good post, Kesh.

Danish and British culture are my main influences. As I've mentioned, Dk is very free and easy, when it comes to most issues.
If I'm not entirely mistaken, I believe Denmark was, if not the first, then one of the first to allow same sex marriages.
In my opinion, love is love.
If for example my brother came to me and told me was gay, I would honestly have no problems whatsoever. If it were my child, again, no problems.

Have a great day!

Rita said...

I do not know why people make such a hue and cry over gay and lesbian marriages. Why is it not as acceptable as hetrosexual marriages? Is it only beacuse such couples cannot have kids? Is love and care not at all important in any union?

Łóòň Ġãĺ said...

Ohhhhhhhhh! The blonde in the second pic looks exactly like me friend!!! :O :O :O

Didnt get the imposter thingy on ma blog ... tiz hard to make out the diff. there!

Will come back to the post.

Caraf said...

oo I knew Saby had copied taht post from your blog!

:D

gay - people - zindabad ;)

wish i was lesbian. would've saved myself lots of time and energy.

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

hi keshi.

will be back on thursday :))

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

u should see our weddings .... they last 3 whole days .... by the end of which the couple are mere automated things in human form

:((((

Michelle said...

omg...juz realised saby's copied the exact post...right off urs...

hmm...neway...i'm all for gay weddings but i wud b a lill weird bout it if ne1 i knew closely came n told me they were gay...but then i guess wen i gave it some thot i'd b ok...

niki yokota said...

nice post keshi-chan!!
i luv gay men like boy george...
they've got beautiful hearts! ^^

:: The Protector :: said...

to be franky still we havn't grown that way to accept these kind of things!

here pre-martial sex itself is a big issue!

ma not sure abt it whether will accept them or not! :{

Cheers!

PuNeEt said...

Ooohooo
What a controversial topic…

It's purely personal and I have no right to judge anyone on that
that’s what even I think…

like even I used to feel a lot uncomfortable even thinking about homosexual…
but with the time I’ve grown up and accepted that it happens…

What would you say/do if your loved-one came upto you and told you they were homosexual?
its too difficult to comment… will exactly depend on the circumstances…
its too easy to say something but when it comes to accepting it most of us back off…
again… whatever we advise would be of no use.. coz we cant force anyone into any relationship… everyone is free and if that person is seriously into that relationship he/she will go to any extent to live it…

Nice post…

Cheers

southpaw said...

What do you think about gay marriages? I also ask you another question - What would you say/do if your loved-one (be it brother, sister, daughter, son, best-friend or anyone at all) came upto you and told you they were homosexual? *** Nothing much, since its there personal life and decision as well, it wont make much difference to me even though its something unusual coz like i dont like anybody else's interferance, i wont do the same with others...

Akruti said...

There are far more pressing problems in this world which needs my concern or anger and solution rather than thinking aand judging a person based on his/her sexuality.If two men or women openly saying that they are in love with eachother or they want to spend their life together then i dont think it has anything to do with us.We have freedom to live without hurting others sentiments.
Oh well,but we live in a country where a women is dragged into court and booed at by the womens organisation over her comments about pre marital sex.If any of my friends,or bor/sis comes up to me with such info i dont think i will let it affect my attitude towards them.Maybe it would be a shock for my mom but not for me:) Hell,i am not one but what diff does it make to me if anyone is diff than me?
Oops,this became a big comment:)

sittingnut said...

great post and great comments.
i don't believe i have any right to judge anything consenting adults might wish to do with each other and how they wish to live.

but when it comes to law(legal marriage) we have to be consistent, and more i think about it, more i have come to agree with 'illiberal' viewpoint on this issue over the years. bc,
i do not accept that homosexual ppl are born that way. i think ppl's sexual preference is conditioned by the environment and not genetics. i know that idea is not considered politically correct these days, but my experiences with the gay and bi ppl have convinced me and scientific opinion is inconclusive. this does not mean there is anything 'wrong' or 'unnatural' about homosexuality imo, it means that there is a choice.

so the only real justification imo for marriage between gays is mutual love (or at least mutual consent). i have no objection to that :-)
but to be consistent similar sanction should be extended to marriages between more than 2 ppl(as long as all of them consent to it of their own free will and perhaps love each other), and what about unions between humans and other species? if we legally allow one kind we have to allow all others, to be fair. i for one find this disturbing.

gangadhar:
But any children that a homosexual couple has did not result from the two partners engaging in sexual activity
keshi:
but does that make them less of a parent?doesn't parenthood depend on how u bring up the child and not on how u gave birth to it?

you are right, but does the society which is responsible for giving children for adoption have the right to make that unconventional choice for the child? would they for instance give a child to a mentally challenged couple (or to a single parent for that matter) even if they show that they can cope and love that child? as i say ppl have to be fair to everybody.

btw giving birth and sharing same genes have some effect, that has been scientifically proven. we have evolved that way over millions of years. but it is not a huge advantage and can be ignored in present discussion.

gangadhar:
But society should indicate its preference for children to be raised in a household headed by a mother and father.
keshi:
what abt single mums and single dads? those kids dun have both parents...do they?

sure, as i said above, would society let a single parent (ordinary or even poor sort, not celebrities or the rich, i mean) adopt children?

rahul:
I'd like to see homosexual civil unions called by a name other than marriage

i agree with that, legal contracts can be custom made for all sorts of unions i referred above, even for 2 member heterosexual ones if they wish. (more business for lawyers, but you can not have everything :-) btw i am not a lawyer).

this desire to have the same thing for everybody (that is expressed by word marriage) cannot be fair and practicable at the same time imo.

What would you say/do if your loved-one (be it brother, sister, daughter, son, best-friend or anyone at all) came upto you and told you they were homosexual?- i would not have any problem with that and would support them if they require any support.

sorry about the length of this :-(

Justin Thyme said...

Hey Kesh. Thought provoking as usual. What sickens and saddens me is that most of those who define marriage as sacred and holy are the very first ones to treat it casually and with little respect.

I'm only going to say this: if the sanctity and tradition of marriage are to be used as excuses/rationale for preventing to same-sex couples in love from being able to share the same rights and privileges as their straight counterparts, then I would propose a "one-strike you're out" policy when it comes to marriage... meaning that straight couples can get married one time and one time only. After all, nothing defiles the sanctity and tradition of marriage more than divorce. I also propose that if marriage is to be treated as such a sacred and holy sacrament, then offenses such as infidelity should be treated with the harshest of punishment.

SaffronSaris said...

I dont know, I really wont know,

musings (m000nie) said...

k00kie...

aww girl u missed me?? i was real busy.. n its gonna b like this for sometime now...

nyway do u even think i have to answer this one??... we generally think alike... so like u for me it is live n let live... y r we here in this world?? wats the meaning of all this.... the only answer to this is to 'love' n b 'loved'... so wat diff would it make if its a gay or a lesbian marriage??? as long as people love each other n r happy its ok according to me...

saby said...

Cheers
i love u sitting nut










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Sudeep said...

I support gay marriages... why shld only straight ppl suffer frm the trauma of divorce ;)

Jokes apart.. this dahi-handi me n my frnds were almost cornered by a gay grp.. n frankly speaking i was scared .. man tht was horrible .. i will support these guys/gals who r on the other side of the known genders only if they dont disturb straight ppl n enjoy their own world

I really dont know how will i react if someone close to me comes n tells tht he/she is homosexual..

Keshi pls pls remain straight... otherwise i will have to cancel my australia trip.. lolzzz..

Sudeep said...

Hope u had a happy n gay... ahem .. weekend

Huggzzz... :)

Drywall Mom said...

actually they say that on the discovery channel that there are certain types of frogs that if in an environment where they had to survive that they can change their sex. That's crazy. I myself, don't agree with Gay people, but I also don't think that it's my right to tell them how they feel or think about things b/c that's their own choice. I just don't promote it, nor do I hang around people that are like that, not that they are a lepor but just because it makes me uncomfortable. I have some split feelings on their rights b/c of their feelings but I also have my feelings about raising children b/c I believe it's a perversion.

Anisa said...

i have learned that i can't judge another human being...everyone has to live their own life and deal with those consequences. i have no right to be ugly to people, regardless of sexual orientation, etc.

Anisa said...

i have learned that i can't judge another human being...everyone has to live their own life and deal with those consequences. i have no right to be ugly to people, regardless of sexual orientation, etc.

Ajay said...

Is a nice topic to debate on..
As Indian we have have learnt that its outside the boundry line...
But I personally feel that it should be made legal because it's love between two consenting adults..... That is their way of thinking...
I would be shocked to know if some1 known to be whould do sush a thing....

Kroopa Shah (Kr00pz) said...

I am heterosexual but not homophobic. I don't think it really matters - its their wish. But I definitely would be shocked if someone from my family came up to me and told me they were homosexual. Holy hell!! That would scare the hell out of me!!

Rohit Talwar said...

what will i do? if they have showed enough confidence me, told me what the truth is, the decision of their life, their preferences.. i will support them! my loved ones, right! i love them so i will stand by them.. everyone has a life.

high time people stop ridiculing it. it's a way of life many have adopted, will keep adopting.

cheers. good post.

Łóòň Ġãĺ said...

Dunno ... gay marriages ... ummm ... it's none of our business actually ... depends on the individuals ... tiz their sexual preference ... if others dont like it ... who cares ...?? I support 'em!

Manish said...

Well I am not far or against it. but its also a fact that I don't relate to it. Everybody has his own preferences & one has to respect individual right of choice & freedom.

saby said...

No moral system can rest solely on authority.
A. J. Ayer (1910 - 1989), Humanist Outlook
Good laws have their origins in bad morals.
Ambrosius Macrobius
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)
The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others.
Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)
We have, in fact, two kinds of morality side by side: one which we preach but do not practice, and another which we practice but seldom preach.
Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970), Sceptical Essays (1928), "Eastern and Western Ideals of Happiness"
There is no moral precept that does not have something inconvenient about it.
Denis Diderot (1713 - 1784)
Morality is herd instinct in the individual.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), The Gay Science, section 116
I say that a man must be certain of his morality for the simple reason that he has to suffer for it.
G. K. Chesterton (1874 - 1936)
An Englishman thinks he is moral when he is only uncomfortable.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), Man and Superman (1903) act 3
The difference between a moral man and a man of honor is that the latter regrets a discreditable act, even when it has worked and he has not been caught.
H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956), 'Prejudices: Fourth Series,' 1924
Truth is the secret of eloquence and of virtue, the basis of moral authority; it is the highest summit of art and life.
Henri-Frédéric Amiel
Do not be too moral. You may cheat yourself out of much life. Aim above morality. Be not simply good; be good for something.
Henry David Thoreau (1817 - 1862)
Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
History is a voice forever sounding across the centuries the laws of right and wrong. Opinions alter, manners change, creeds rise and fall, but the moral law is written on the tablets of eternity.
James A. Forude
Taste is not only a part and index of morality, it is the only morality. The first, and last, and closest trial question to any living creature is "What do you like?" Tell me what you like, I'll tell you what you are.
John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)
The higher the buildings, the lower the morals.
Noel Coward (1899 - 1973)
Morality, like art, means drawing a line someplace.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
Scandal is gossip made tedious by morality.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900), Lady Windermere's Fan, 1892, Act III
The ability to see beauty is the beginning of our moral sensibility. What we believe is beautiful we will not wantonly destroy.
Reverend Sean Parker Dennison, Ministrare, 2-10-05
If your morals make you dreary, depend on it , they are wrong.
Robert Louis Stevenson (1850 - 1894)
Perfection of moral virtue does not wholly take away the passions, but regulates them.
Saint Thomas Aquinas (1225 - 1274)
The soul is the captain and ruler of the life of morals.
Sallust (86 BC - 34 BC)
All sects are different, because they come from men; morality is everywhere the same, because it comes from God.

saby said...

, 'Hi. i am saby
i am gay'
,





Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jackal said...

I find it really disgusting.....we just cannot shy away saying ..if they...its just not natural...if u let every one go his own way there will be so mcuh chaos in the society..imagine some one wants to get married to a pig..

The Phoenix said...

What's up with all that stupid food stuff above? Geez.

I'm still on the fence with gay marriage. If two people love each other, they should be together. But granting them the title of marriage and all that entails? I'm not sure...

Justin Thyme said...

Why is it whenever the topic of gay marriage comes up, inevitably someone will jump right to the conclusion that, if it is allowed, people marrying barnyard animals comes next? I find it so hard to believe that even in this day and age some people can still be so extremely ignorant and stupid.

saby said...

the purpose of marriage need not be procreation only

if u want children, adopt
we have one billion indians too many


i wanna be in amerika
wont someone adopt me?

saby said...

when i was young
we wanted wide hipped
beeg bosomed woomen to raise our children


now food is expensive and the world is full to capacity

we dont need to give birth to more children for mom theresa's slums

Keshi said...

***Rahul

Thanks Rahul for ur well-rounded comment.

Yes I agree..maybe they should call it a different name but what difference would it make of the circumstances of the union?

And abt children...yes they need a mother and father, but even in a man and woman's marriage, many kids suffer. Due to a parent's death or divorce or separation. I dun agree that kids who grow up with a single parent have more societal probs...I mean we need to look at the stats for that...cos I have seen kids with both a mum and dad turn out to be monsters :)

lol yep u would be shocked if a girl u have a crush on comes and tells ya she's a les - dun worry Rahul it wont happen :):)










***Autumn

Hey girl! I know the Danish and the British (and Aussies :) r very free and easy with this concept.

**In my opinion, love is love.

Spot on! Cannot say it any better..

It's great to hear that there r not-so-narrow-minded ppl out there Autumn, thanks!










***Rita

Thanks sweety!

**Is love and care not at all important in any union?

It's exactly my point...










***Cheesy

Muahhh sweety and thanks, I agree with ya.

Abt the Imposter...well there's a recent comment in ur Gifts post posing as Keshi...thats obviously the Imposter...thats what I meant :)

Thanks girl! And ur friend looks like this blonde girl? hehehehe...;-)










***Caraf

Yep Caraf...Saby is a plagiarist...duhhh!

**wish i was lesbian. would've saved myself lots of time and energy.

LOL I agree with ya. I wish I was les so I wouldnt have so much heartbreak dealing with stupid men lolllz!










***Deepa

Muahhhhh Sweety! Ok come bakk soon :)

I know Indian weddings take place for days lol!










***Michelle

Yes Mich, Saby copies without even permission...

Thanks sweety...yes even I wud feel a lil weired if someone came up tome and said that...but I'd help them somehow to live their lives the way they want..










***Niki

awww u said the most brilliant comment NIKI! They do have beautiful hearts - ur so right! I have a gay friend, he's a golden heart. And look at Justin, my blog friend...how much more beautiful a soul a man can get?










***Vishnu

WC to my blog and thanks! I totally understand ya cos in Aus it's accepted...but still there was so much controversy after that wedding..so I can imagine how it would be in India :)










***Puneet

Glad u agree with me on this :) huggggggz!

**its too easy to say something but when it comes to accepting it most of us back off…

true...it's so different when it really happens...but u have to have an idea on how u might look at such a situation :)


**if that person is seriously into that relationship he/she will go to any extent to live it…

so sweeeeeeeeet :) And Im glad u r so open-minded and has such a big heart. Thanks matey!










***Southpaw

aww South I knew u would think like Puneet too...wonderful to hear that u too see it that way, thanks!










***Akruti

Hey thanks :)

**...rather than thinking aand judging a person based on his/her sexuality.

thats exactly what I meant...


**we live in a country where a women is dragged into court and booed at by the womens organisation over her comments about pre marital sex.

r u talking abt Kushboo..I heard that..duhhh thats so stupid...dun they realise that everyone is entitled to their own opinion? Freedom of speech should be respected.


**Hell,i am not one but what diff does it make to me if anyone is diff than me?

Very true! Thank u so much Akruti..and hey dun worry abt comments being long, I like it when ppl express themselves :)










***Sittingnut

Hey thanks for that - truly insightful comment.

** bc,i do not accept that homosexual ppl are born that way.

I believe they r...only cos not ALL ppl r gay and I read that hormonal imbalances in some ppl make them more prone to homosexuality. I think though these ppl may not show gay/les inclination from birth, they carry the hormones that at some stage in their life will reach that imbalance (triggered by an environmental factor). Dun u think?

**similar sanction should be extended to marriages between more than 2 ppl, and what about unions between humans and other species?

U r right...if marriage is allowed for gay/les, then it might extend to other such areas (which sounda bit scary lol). But Marriage is supposed to be so sacred...and why do so many ppl cheat then? What I mean is not all can stick to the social norms...everyone is different...


**would they for instance give a child to a mentally challenged couple (or to a single parent for that matter) even if they show that they can cope and love that child?

Adoption is giving away a child cos they dun want to bring it up...so why would they bother abt where the child goes anyways? :) On the other hand, like u said, they woudnt wanna give the child to a mentally challenged person to bring up the child...how can he/she bring it up anyways? But gay/les ppl r not mentally challenged...r they?



**would society let a single parent (ordinary or even poor sort, not celebrities or the rich, i mean) adopt children?

why not? What's wrong with a single parent bringing up a child, rather than 2 selfish parents bringing it up in the wrong way?


**btw i am not a lawyer).

LOL! :):) Well yes I agree...maybe they should call it something else, but what difference would that make..it's still a union based on love...


**i would not have any problem with that and would support them if they require any support.

thats so sweet of ya...hugggggz!


**sorry about the length of this :-(

no probs matey...I always like intellectual convos no matter how long it may be :) THANKS!










**Justin

Hey matey WC!

**those who define marriage as sacred and holy are the very first ones to treat it casually and with little respect.

So bloody true!!!!

**then I would propose a "one-strike you're out" policy

So right...I agree with ya here as I mentioned to Sittingnut above...


**I also propose that if marriage is to be treated as such a sacred and holy sacrament, then offenses such as infidelity should be treated with the harshest of punishment.

Very good point..I hope someone who doesnt support gay/les, will answer this...the challenge is ur's now guys :)

thanks so much for that Justin!










***SaffronSaris

Hey Saffronz no probs girl :) Thanks anyways!










***Musings

m000nieeeeeeee MUAHHHHHHHHHH! Where have ya been? Ofcourse I missed ya! WOW Im so happy to see ya here. Ok so ur busy...but dun go missing for too long...:(


**nyway do u even think i have to answer this one??...

lol I know u would think just like me...awwwwwwww...


**the only answer to this is to 'love' n b 'loved'...

awww ur a golden heart m000nie...such a big mind...luv ya always HUGGGGGGGGZ!










***Sudeep

**why shld only straight ppl suffer frm the trauma of divorce ;)

lol okkkkk :)


**n frankly speaking i was scared .. man tht was horrible ..

lol why? Usually they r known to be very friendly and good-hearted...


**Keshi pls pls remain straight... otherwise i will have to cancel my australia trip.. lolzzz..

lolz didnt I tell ya I'm as straight as Chinese hair...c'mon no wayzz, hunks can never bore me ;-)










***Drywall_Mom

**that if in an environment where they had to survive that they can change their sex.

wow interesting stuff...


**I just don't promote it, nor do I hang around people that are like that, not that they are a lepor but just because it makes me uncomfortable.

agreed...

I have some split feelings on their rights b/c of their feelings but I also have my feelings about raising children b/c I believe it's a perversion.

probably u r right abt the pervasion..different ppl see it different...

Thanks girl!










***Anisa

Hey Anisa WC to my blog and thanks!

**i have no right to be ugly to people, regardless of sexual orientation, etc.

So true!! Who r we to judge...

Thanks and keep coming...










***Ajay

WC to my blog matey and thanks!

**I personally feel that it should be made legal because it's love between two consenting adults..... That is their way of thinking...

truly stated...it's shocking that some ppl still dare to judge...:)

Thanks!










***Kroopa_Shah

Hey Krooopz!

**I am heterosexual but not homophobic.

Same here :)

**Holy hell!! That would scare the hell out of me!!

lol yep it would scare me too...but I will recover and move on...

Thanks!










***Rohit_Talwar

helloooo :)

**if they have showed enough confidence me, told me what the truth is, the decision of their life, their preferences.. i will support them!

awww ur a swt hrt Rohit...what a great man!


**high time people stop ridiculing it. it's a way of life many have adopted, will keep adopting.

so true...I like the way u think...

Thanks!










***Manish

Being neutral abt it is wise than to hate it for no reason...


**Everybody has his own preferences & one has to respect individual right of choice & freedom.

Well-said SIR :)










***Jackal

Hey mate!

**I find it really disgusting.....

ok I can u'stand it's revolting to some only cos it's not natural...but that's what's natural to them. They may look different to us, but we r different to them too :)


**if u let every one go his own way there will be so mcuh chaos in the society..imagine some one wants to get married to a pig..

I agree that we cant let ppl do whatever they want such as murder, robbery, hate etc. But this is LOVE...what's wrong with loving another?

lol if someone wants to get married to a pig (rather revolting), then thats stupid. I mean it's really sick cos it's an animal but we r talking of 2 adult human beings here...










*** The_Phoenix

Hey matey hows ya?

**What's up with all that stupid food stuff above? Geez.

It's that imposter girl working her lil heart out to annoy me...nothings working :) Just ignore the crap.


**I'm still on the fence with gay marriage. If two people love each other, they should be together. But granting them the title of marriage and all that entails? I'm not sure...

Agreed. But what would we lose by granting them that?

Thanks!










***Saby

Like I asked u yday, u have no right to copy my work and receive comments for it like it's ur work. Either mention the orginal author's name or create a direct link to my blog for reference from ur post...


Thanks!
Keshi.

Keshi said...

***Justin

Helloo matey..hope u r having a wonderful day...

** inevitably someone will jump right to the conclusion that, if it is allowed, people marrying barnyard animals comes next?


Agreed! Why do ppl bring in animals when we r only talking abt humans?

Keshi.

saby said...

SHIT !

yr work is not copy rited

saby said...

i did wat i did

for my annony mouse friendz

saby said...

she gott a mean temper

Kerry said...

hi keshi girl!!! *big hugz*
*trots off, smiling*

saby said...

and the award for the best commenter (the one wid identical views)goes to ......






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DeeM said...

Well, my best friend is gay. And I wouldn't change him for anything.
If some one actually came out to me, I would just be happy for them that they could finally be themselves.

Keshi said...

***Kerry

HUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGZ aww there she goes strutting her bodacious stuff...;-)










***Deem

Hey thanks matey...so rightly stated...of they can accept it, thats when they will share it with someone...thank u!










***Saby

Yes I got a temper just like everyone else is entitled to. And with what u do using my blog, who wouldnt get angry? First u insult my friends at my expense in my blog, then u play ard with and encourage annonymous asses, now u copy my work even without mentioning it's mine! What's next? My work is mine, whether it's copyrighted or not. U have no right to copy it straight across to ur blog and make it look like it's just ur work w.o. even mentioning it's from my blog. That's plagiarism and it's a crime if u didnt know.


Thanks!
Keshi.

Keshi said...

Saby, and to be honest I couldnt care less what those annonymous asses say in ur blog...keep that crap there...dun bring it here.

Thanks!
Keshi.

Tanvi said...

how are u keshi? happie tuesday..lol monday down 4 more to go:p

Keshi said...

Hey Tanviiiiiiiii muahhhhhhhhhhh! yeyyyy tue it is lol!

how u been sweety?

Keshi.

Jewel Rays said...

:) well if i get a chance too i would. :P

just the right way of life in my perspective u know. but i surely won;t force down my perspective down ma family throat for sure..-grinz-

like if possible i want a brother in law for a sister and a sister in law for a brother..haha

its kind of makes me wonder how it would really feel like to really have a famil member this way...

but i would still love 'em the same;)

Keshi said...

***My_Unveilings

Hellooo....:)

**like if possible i want a brother in law for a sister and a sister in law for a brother

LOL haha I agree!


I'm sure u will stick by them no matter what...cos ur a very special soul, thanks and tc!

Keshi.

Varkey said...

I dont support Gay Marriage,but i am not anti-gay - Hypocritical? well, maybe.
I WILL b shocked if a Loved-one comes and tells me he/she is . And I'm sure that i will try to talk some 'Sense' into their head ... But then it might not make 'Sense' for them... and I do believe that a person has a right to do what he thinks is right... you can try influecing the decision but never Force them ... so if i cant convince them, I'll still accept them as who they are.

sittingnut said...

i gather from your answer that i need to clarify what i said about adoption by a mentally challenged couple(able to cope and love a child) or a single parent. what i meant was that they should be able to adopt children too, if a gay couple can. but unfortunately in practice such ppl cannot (there are rules against that in most countries too) . that is why i say law should be fair to every body not just to gays.

But Marriage is supposed to be so sacred...and why do so many ppl cheat then? I mean is not all can stick to the social norms...everyone is different...- agree with you 100%. that is why one size fits all-marriage is not the answer. we should have a range of legal contracts that fits according to different requirements of different ppl.
that way gays, ppl who want more than one partner , ppl who wants to live with animals, etc. can have their rights clarified.

keshi:
lol if someone wants to get married to a pig (rather revolting), then thats stupid. I mean it's really sick cos it's an animal but we r talking of 2 adult human beings here...
justin:
Why is it whenever the topic of gay marriage comes up, inevitably someone will jump right to the conclusion that, if it is allowed, people marrying barnyard animals comes next?
keshi:
Why do ppl bring in animals when we r only talking abt humans?
- i find that revolting and stupid too, but we are making a subjective judgment about a individual's sexual preference and ppl who oppose gay marriage make the exact same subjective judgment about gays.
ppl who support gay marriage if they are logically consistent should be able to accept human unions with animals, that ppl see this inconsistency is why this argument keep cropping up above and in all discussions about gay marriage and it should.

love is all we need to live and we are free to live in whatever way we want,
but when is comes to marriage and law we need to be fair to everybody too and gay marriage is not fair. as envisioned in the present context it aims to give special privileges to a particular group only, in the same way that traditional marriage gave those privileges to a another (much larger) group.
only fair and practicable solution is to have differing legal contracts as i referred above.

sorry, again i went on and on, but felt i had to clear up somethings. :-)

Keshi said...

***Varkey


hey thanks...I totally agree with what u said...ppl r free to make choices regarding the way they want to live...thanks! And yep 'sense' to them is that so who r we to argue? :)










***Sittingnut

hey thanks matey :)

I know wut u mean abt chidlren and adoption. But I still dun agree (ur gonna kill me now lol!) to the fact that u r comparing mentally challenged ppl with gay ppl as an example...u know what I mean na...they r 2 very different groups...gay ppl r not in the same category as mentally challenged...cos mentally challenged person cant even look after him/her self so how can they lookafter kids? On the other hand, gay/le ppl dun have a deficiency that bloks them from adopting a kid, do they?


**ppl who support gay marriage if they are logically consistent should be able to accept human unions with animals

hmmm :) not really...cos animals r altogether a different species...it's like having to accept Canibalism just cos we accept non-vegetarians..


**but when it comes to marriage and law we need to be fair to everybody too and gay marriage is not fair.

Why isnt it fair? I mean it involves those 2 ppl...not us...so how can it be unfair to anyone else?


Hey thanks Sittingnut...u bring out some great points to discuss and I really admire ur intellect that challenges mine :) It really is invigorating to have ppl like u sharing ur wisdom here...I thank u for that.

Have a good day and dun worry abt taking space...my pleasure :)

Keshi.

sittingnut said...

thanks

i am not going to kill you :-)

you made your points i made mine. we just disagree here. that's a relief, bc i was finding myself agreeing completely with you in almost every time you post and expressing yourself way way better than me.

Keshi said...

lol Sittingnut no worries...we need to agree to disagree too..o.w. no fun :)

Alot of the times, my great buddies have agreed to disagree with atleast few of my posts :):) and it's a relief...cos I dun want everyone to say Im right, cos hell Im not :) LOL!

Keshi.

Jay said...

I don’t agree with marriage between men + men or women + women. But I do give exemptions to transgender who have changed sex and later on get married in which I referred as FTM (Change from Female to Male) or MTF (Change form Male to Female).

If FTM were married to a female, the marriage looks logic because the FTM has decided to change the body into a male – so the marriage will look like a marriage between man-woman. (It goes the same when MTF decided to married a man)

FTM and MTF are the true transgender who are diagnosed by the professional under “Harry Benjamin” study for people who suffer for GID (Gender Identity Disorder). Whilst the group who doesn’t want to change sex but wanting to get married to same sex are a bit weird if we look at the way they think.

If any of my family members are diagnosed by professional and proven to suffer of GID, I have no problem at all for them to change sex and later on to get married. That is my answer to your question.

AmitKen said...

interesting!!

well... to be honest, if some dear one to me tells me that he/she is homosexual, I'll be shocked. coz whatever anyone says - the way nature has it (or rather had it), you can love any and everyone but you can lust only with opposite sex. So first i'll try to explain to that person that the opposite sex attraction is much better and more satisfying than same sex attraction, and encourage that person to experience heterosexual relationships and decide which one is better. but all said and done at the end of it all that matters is the thoughts and feelings of that person and not what i personally think. So if my explanations fail I'll support that person.... okay - i'll try to support that person.

and instead of fighting over the name of the ritual - gays can perhaps term their marriage as gayrriage ;o))

alice said...

great post..and even i did a post on it some time back...but not an elaborate one...i m all for Gays or bi's or lesbian's....as u said...its their choice....
and ur second ws....hmmm...
it'll be little weird but ..what the heck...

Keshi said...

***Jay

Hey hope u r keeping well mate.

Thanks for that. Well I agree that it' smuch better if they do a sex change b4 marriage etc, but why do they HAVE to do that? Why do they HAVE to have the heterosexual bodies when they really are not heterosexual? Why cant we just let them be, unless they really want to do a sex change...?










***Amitken

Hey Amit ur so sweet...lol trying to change their mind etc. Yes, what ultimately matters is his/her personal choice..

Gayrriage isnt that bad actually lolz! What say ppl?










***Alice

Thanks girl :) I know u would think like me on this one...yeah what the heck, let em do what they wanna do :):)




Keshi.

Dawn....सेहर said...

Keshi...its a nightmare....as I had one colleague...and she was all ...........hahaha it took a bit of time for me to get the message!!!
I think its there life or rather everyone has there way to choose...but then hey...one should make sure before they make that move hahahahahaah!!!
It was height when i got the pic in 2 piece bikini :)
gosh!!!! you come up with great topics...gal keep rocking...

cheers

Keshi said...

lol Dawn awww a gal made a move on ya? hehe must have been a very uncomfy situation for ya :)


**It was height when i got the pic in 2 piece bikini :)

I didnt get this...can u explain plz :)


Cheers and thanks girl!
Keshi.

Dawn....सेहर said...

dear...she was making plans with me to go for joggin and cycling for summer and so she sent me a pic of hers (in 2-piece bikini) & in return was asking me to exchange something like that ...lol

It was .......so scarry...:) ...lukcily I left that organization ...:)

It is uncomfy...!!!!
cheers

Keshi said...

goshhhh Dawn lol u poor thing :)

Keshi.