Tuesday, November 22

Capital thoughts

What do you think is the most serious crime that anyone can ever commit? Murder? Drug dealing? Heinous assault? Terrorism? I know these crimes are serious but does any of that deserve death? If we, the so-called rational society believe that they are senseless crimes, then why do we so senselessly follow in the criminals' footsteps and commit another crime by executing capital punishment, even in this civilised era? While I don't condone or justify any of the crimes mentioned above, I find it difficult to understand how you could punish a person by killing him. He wouldn't be there to know that he's dead, would he? Only that he would suffer in his last few days before death and that's about it! And others might not attempt such a crime in fear of death penalty, but does that really reduce crime and worse teach the perpetrator anything at all?

While I know that if one of my loved-ones got murdered, I'd want the murderer to be punished but I wouldn't like to see him dead and gone so quickly. 'Cos that's not closure to me. I would like to see him suffer every second of the rest of his life locked up in a dirty prison (no TV, music nothing) with just loads of hard work to do, and with just bread and water as food. Maybe in a special prison in Nicobar Islands, not in the US or Aus etc. 'Cos that's what I believe real punishment is, not death. They need to breathe their punishments, feel the seriousness of the crimes they committed, repent it, not just die in seconds. And for those who say they don't want their taxes looking after prisoners for life, please know the facts before you speak...death penalty costs millions, even just to maintain the law - read
here. Besides I believe in human rights and I have been a strong opponent of death penalty ever since I heard of it when I was little. No one has the right to take another man's life, no matter what. How can the law allow this? If Death Penalty is the right punishment for serious crimes, then I would say there are plenty of real criminals (murderers or not) unfairly breathing around in this world!

A young Aussie drug dealer got caught in Singapore and will face death by hanging, on the 2nd of Dec...read
here. It's not because he is Aussie that I brought this topic up - I felt for Timothy McVeigh too (even though he was the unforgivable Oklahoma bomber), and always for each and every other death-row prisoner around the world. While they deserve to be punished severely for their crimes, death in no way is going to make them realise what they did and it's the most violent act one could ever commit! It breaks that same law that the law authorities are preaching! It's ridiculous to carry on such a cruel and uncivilised punishment and I really feel for these people and their families. I'm glad Australia isn't that primitive and evil. We respect life and human rights.


To those who believe in death penalty:

NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE ANOTHER'S LIFE EVEN IF IT'S A CRIMINAL'S. IF YOU SUPPORT DEATH PENALTY, YOU GOT BLOOD IN YOUR HANDS...THEN YOU TOO DESERVE THAT SAME DEATH PENALTY YOU YOURSELF RESPECT - WHY SHOULD IT BE ANY DIFFERENT TO YOU? WAKE UP ALL THOSE COUNTRIES THAT DOTE ON DEATH PENALTY! IT'S A DISGRACE TO HUMAN RACE AND THE QUALITY OF JUSTICE. NOT EACH AND EVERYONE IS BORN WITH THE SAME INTELLIGENCE AND CONSCIENCE...LET EVERYONE TAKE THEIR OWN PACE TO REPENT AND LEARN...BY KILLING THEM THEY WON'T GET A CHANCE TO EVEN BEGIN TO REPENT. SAY NO TO DEATH AND SAY YES TO LIFE...

218 Cranium Signets:

4u2nvau/Rohit said...

Me first..lemme read the post

:D

4u2nvau/Rohit said...

I think a big issue is that you can never be 100% sure if someone is guilty. I mean you give a guilty verdict in criminal trials "beyond all reasonable doubt." But i mean 'all reasonable doubt'.. that doesnt really imply 100% certaintiy.

I strongly recommend seeing 'The Life of David Gale.' Its about an 'anti capital punishment' group who try to prove a person that has been executed were not guilty. The ending is pure brilliance.

Nonetheless, regardless of this, I think capital punishment is plain wrong. I dont see how a government can justtify killing. I mean it is actually murder in itself.

I dont think capital punishment is justified in any crime. I'de be more inclinded to crimes like genocide, but not drug trafking of even murder in the first. Even if the guilty had full intent, it maybe the first time they did it, they may fully regret what they did, and pose no threat at all to society.

And what happened to good old forgiveness, everybody deserves a chance for redemption. Maybe not put them back into the public but at least rehab or therapy or something.

And its not even an effective deterrent?! All the states in America that use it have seen an increase in murder and violence crimes after the implementation of capital punishment so go figure why you would use it.

Keshi said...

Hey NV let me first hug ya - hugggggggggz! :) I so missed ya..:(


U have some very interesting thoughts there...indeed 'all reasonable doubt' does not imply 100% certainity! So, proving someone guilty in itself isnt' 100% guilt-free :)

No I havent seen that movie..I think it's gonna be my next blockbuster rental..hehe...would it be available there?

**I'de be more inclinded to crimes like genocide,

Spot on! that's what I meant abt the real breathing free...look at how much time Saddam Hussein is getting in courts when we all know he's responsible for all those mass graves...and many more to mention...but even then I dont think death penalty is the way to punish them...

Like u said, some ppl might commit a crime in the spur of the moment, losing their minds...but yeah they too need to learn from it, hence they need a chance to repent and become a better person. Forgiveness seems to be just a fancy word in some ppl's vocabulary...it aint implemented.

yes...the states of US that carry on this cruelty needs a break...maybe try a different solution to crime...like let them live and deprive them of all freedom...thats the real punishment...everyone will fear that more than death.

Thanks matey...very wise and noble thoughts..
Keshi.

Keshi said...

And I answered u in my earlier post NV :)

Keshi.

4u2nvau/Rohit said...

Yeah I read, I was very disappointed mate, I wanted Emily to win....urgh and I wasted my 25 cents on voting for her.

Keshi said...

lol u voted too...aww...well I was thinking that Emily might win too...but on the last day they performed as competitors, Kate was just too good...Emily screwed it with Britney's Baby please..it didnt even suit her...besides trust me, Aussies love a true blue aussie gal compared to an exotic gal...Im sure votes were not purely based on talent...a unfair as it may be, that's the harsh truth..

But I reckon both Kate and Emily will have a good future in singing...look at Shannon and Anthony...they rock, even better than Guy and Casey...:)

Keshi.

4u2nvau/Rohit said...

Oh yeah whats with Casey?? What a waste of being called an Australian Idol shes not even doing anything in her life.

Guess what mate?? Come down to Melbourne for the Commonwealth games, rumour has it that SRK and Aishwariya Rai along with some other Bollywood actors/models and actresses are coming to promote India.

Keshi said...

goshh then I should catch a tram soon ha ;-) thanks...that should be pretty interesting!


Yep Casey is wasted talent...just the title only...atleast Anthony is covering up for that :) He's sooooo cute and very very talented!

Keshi.

Keshi said...

**waste of a being

ROFL!

The Phoenix said...

Revenge is short-lived, really.

The only time I could take someone else's life is in pure self-defense. Especially if someone was trying to hurt my children.

I wouldn't think about it, if in that kind of situation. I would kill, but only to protect myself and my kids.

Drywall Mom said...

I am for the death penalty. Let's just say that there was someone that raped, tortured and mutalated hundreds of people and left people w/o their loved ones, that person has it coming. That person has stolen the life out of people and should have the deserving right to enjoy life, even if in prison for the rest of his life. Then there are other ways of making living in prison worse than death. Like the child molesters, those people are going to be hating prison life when the other prisoners get ahold of them. But I do think that there are certain cases where death would be a suitable punishment.

Abigail S. said...

I don't believe in the death penalty persay. But if I had kids and someone sexually assaulted them... I might beat the courts to it.
I am in no way a violent person... But something like that would make me lose it.
Oh- and "the Life of David Gale" IS an awesome movie!

Keshi said...

Hey Phoenix!

Revenge sure is short-lived :)

**The only time I could take someone else's life is in pure self-defense.

I agree...I mean we may commit violent crimes at the spur of the moment, in self-defense, but d u think u deserve death penalty for that?










Hellooo Drywall :)

I agree with ya there...there could be some deranged maniac raoing and torturing ppl and it would seem right to kill him...but is that really a deterrent to crime? Would it make him repent it?











Hey Abigail WC to my blog!

Yes I know what u mean...if it happens to someone we love, even the most non-violent person would feel violent thoughts...but does that solve the problem? Would it make him/her repent? Is that a deterrent?

Since both U and NV recommended that movie, I think I better hunt for it now :) Thanks!


Keshi.

uttara said...

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hugzzzzzzzzzzzz me here :P

howz ya babes ?????????

uttara

sittingnut said...

could not agree with you more. death penalty is inhuman and is nothing but murder for the benefit of society(or for no reason at all). any member of society that has the practice is guilty of murder.
though i am not sure that australia is not 'primitive and evil', :-), in this instance at least they are doing the right thing .
nothing justifies taking another human being's life.

ppl change, criminals also undergo this change. is it correct to kill someone for something that they did in the past and will never do again? how does society benefit from that?

and let us remember that even with all those safeguards that protect the defendant in u.s.a. many ppl who are awaiting death sometimes are found to be totally innocent bc of new evidence and released. that is because judicial process is controlled by humans and humans from policeman, judges, lawyers, and juries are known to make mistakes.

but even with the perfect judicial process or even if the criminal never shows any remorse, capital punishment is never justified.

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btw bc of election and rain and all the excitement here i was not able to fully read your new posts about givers and takers( i am both), and dancing (i am hopeless at dancing but you almost inspired me to try some steps :-)) until today. i can only say i should not have missed reading them immediately.

Pallavi said...

interesting how u say "him" to the murderer when it very well could be a 'her'......dont you think?

southpaw said...

Hmmm...interesting post!!!
Convicting somebody for a capital punishment is not so easy like it looks, there are many factors which are considered before the conviction. And in most of the countries when someone is caught in a narcotic case, usually they have to face the life sentence or the death penalty, the reasons for implimenting the rules are also quite justified if u want i can give u an elaborated explaination and justification on that and i am sure when u go through that u wont have the same opinion what u have right now.
Good day keshi!!!

Keshi said...

Hey Uttara muahhhhhhhh! So glad to see ya :)









Sittingnut thanks!

I totally agree with ya...how does society benefit from death penalty! Great Q for thos edeath penalty supporters to answer..any takers? :)

Yes there's human error in every situation...but like u say, even if the criminal is 100% guilty, death penalty adds to the crime...

btw Aus is not primitive ok...lol!And hey hows SL doing after the elections? All calm or tensed? Great that u got motivated to try some dancing steps...hehe...u gottta give some to get some..I mean dance a little to get some excitement into ur life :) THANKS mate!











Pallavi heyy hugggggggz!

I must have used the term 'him' on many occasions - only cos I couldnt be bothered to put 'him/her' everywhere...lol sorry :)


Keshi.

Keshi said...

Hey South...go ahead bring it on :) I would never change my opinion on the death penalty tho ;-) violence for violence can never be called Law...

Keshi.

southpaw said...

Check ur email tomorrow morning.

Keshi said...

South it's ok..u can put it here...it helps all the readers as well na...so put it here...

Keshi.

southpaw said...

As far as violence for violence is not law, u know my views on that very well....u might hv been the sufferer but i hv not only been the sufferer but also a protector of law and order, so i do recognize the limits of suffering and the payback.

uttara said...

hey babes .. i will come bk with my comment laterzzzzzzzzz

hugzzzzzzzz

uttara

Keshi said...

Hey South

**so i do recognize the limits of suffering and the payback

what r the limits?








Heyy Mermaid!

Take ur time :)




Keshi.

southpaw said...

Hold on, gimme some time, i'll be back with my elaborated view here itself.

talldarkman said...

Death penalty is justified.

Take a look at Dawood Ibrahim, Abu Salem and the like. Even if given a lifer, they will operate from within jails to make other ppl's life miserable.

talldarkman

Keshi said...

ok South...I await the interesting info :)









Tally heyyy hows ya?

how can prisoners operate from jails unless they r given the opportunity?


Keshi.

4u2nvau/Rohit said...

an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, and a life for a life.

Capital punishment is all about retribution.

Harashita R. R. Bajaj said...

hey thanks for visitin my blog.....nice post

strawy said...

keshu from where u bring topics like this re?
must say good topic babezz
Well!!! i dunno yaar, it depends on the crime n criminal....
wat will u do if u see ur whole family is killed by a criminal n u r left alone ?
like wat happened in Russia last year,so many innocent childres were offered by terrorism....

wont u want to see them dead too ?

n the guy u mentioned in ur post,the drug dealer, well he deserves death for sure , just imagine ,how many innocent ppl he has killed, small college n school childrens , their future, parents hopes... v say childrens r our future, but these drug dealers r currupting our future.... dont u think the deserve death ?? or must say a longgggg death... they shud suffer be4 death...


so it depends re, even i m against Death Penalty, but in some cases i think the law is right ... n i do support it ..

saby said...

i dont agree to capital punishment
but in the case of ROHIT

i will make an exception

saby said...

the law is an ASS
they crucified Jesus Christ

Rita said...

Even though this is a raging debate, I never a gave a thought to what I would have wanted in case a criminal harmed my loved ones *touchwood*. Maybe you are right!

PuNeEt said...

Hey babezzz...
Say that in Bold or in CAPS or in italics...

I dun agree to your view...

Ofcourse I dun have ne right to take anybodyz life...n the same applies to all...

but some people are so sick that if left open they will continue doing there criminal acts...
the so called underwold don n terrorist...

i can never have sympathy towards them... n if they are sentenced life imprisonment or something...
then some plane will be hijacked...
n so scrap will happen...
which will lead to more deaths...
n this time of innocent people...

sometimes I dun even feel that its worth trying that person in court of law...just encounter him...

World needs to be cleaned... n if it calls for killing some1... I dun disagree to it...

as they say...
an eye for an eye...

I'm sorry bt I'm equally adamant on my view...

take care

Cheers

starbender said...

All in all, we are not suppose to judge each other!
I don't believe death is the answer, however, our prisions are such a mess, is prision the punishment it was meant 2 b?
Prisions seem 2 have it all anymore. Cable TV, heat, hot water, obtain a degree, etc....
Not the prision they were in the 1900's. If you were homeless in the winter,-prision probably sounds like a good choice. We can't afford Cable TV, but our prisioners get 2 watch it!
Just doesn't make alot of Sense!
:o

SaffronSaris said...

Let's see....I am of the opinion that that Nyguen guy deserves it.
I am balancing the fact that if he wasn't caught, the haul of drugs on him will make their way to other drug dealers and eventually to addicts.
Sure, hanging him doesn't solve the problem, as he is only a runner, not the big boss.
BUT why should lives of drug addicts be any less precious than his?
If he knowingly brings drugs through a country with strict penalties, he should be prepared to bear the consequences.
The death penalty may not be a sufficient deterrent to would-be criminals.
Yet the bottomline is, the authorities are answerable more to their voters than citizens from other countries. They have every right and obligation to protect their citizens and prevent illegal acts from using their countries as a conduit.

niki yokota said...

OMG! hes only 25!? wat a tragedy~~(>_<)
arey? tradegy tragedy? lol
im not going to singapore. thats really scarely!!!!
wat ur saying is 100% right, keshi!!
(except these maniac serial killers.) i hope the govt of AUS can stop that execution. amen...

musings (m000nie) said...

i m not in favour of capital punishment... n ur right... how can we kill someone when we can never make them alive again??... its really sad n useless i think... sometime bak some guy in india was given capital punishment too... i didnt like it.. there was lots of hue n cry over it... but in the end he was killed...

i know we say they deserve this... they have killed n raped n wat not... but i think they should b kept in prisons rather than killing them in one go...

i prefer "killing them softly"... this way they get to repent n know wat they have done is absolutely wrong...

laterzzz

Autumn Storm said...

Gosh, Keshi, heavy topic and a post that is bound to get a record number of comments.

Seen black and white, I'm most definitely against the death penalty. Once one starts looking into different scenarios, the grey areas so to speak, it becomes a little harder to maintain that clearcut, 100% certain opinion. If someone did something to Maria for example, what would I feel then(?). In as far as I can, I imagine, I would still be against, but I wouldn't know, unless in such a situation. I don't think, one can blame the families of victims for wanting this kind of retribution, regardless of whether one considers it inhumane, even evil.

Re: the drug dealer up for execution in S'pore, I can add that I've travelled into this country numerous times and there are warnings upon warnings upon warnings long before one ever arrives that being caught with drugs is punishable by death - is it right, no, but he knew the risks.

Sudeep said...

Hmmm... the same debate going on betn our Pres n SC.

I dont feel CP is right but might be justified in some case (now dont ask me to give an example)

n I was wondering too about him/her

Jen said...

I agree with you- I don't believe it in either. I dont' see how two wrongs makes a right, and nothing is learned by killing someone for their crimes. How will they ever know that what they did was wrong?

I 100% agree with you.

southpaw said...

The explaination was big enough for me to put it as my comeback post...:)hope u find it appropriate and pls feel free to ask further....

DeeM said...

Hi Keshi,
I think you hit on a major point, the death penalty has not deterred crime. I don't think it's for anyone else to determine when another's life should end, regardless. Of course they should be punished, and some serverly and never released. (I might have a whole different opinion if something happened to a loved on of mine.)But for now, that's where I stand.
And I really dig your blog!

icyblue said...

Hey Keshi! Quite an interesting topic u've got there...
I'll be back to post in my comment.... need to run now... :(
Will be back tomorrow morning (I promise :) )

Cheers

Rohit Talwar said...

i am quite of a diferent opinion.

but only if its a murder case. if someone could think they can kill someone.. they have no right to breathe the same air. they deserve the same.



do i sound rigid?

Jackal said...

I dont agree .....the kind of crimes committed here....children being raped n killed helpless women being burnt for dowry....i any case there is no fear of punishment u do away with death penalty and crimes wud increase manifold.....its not only to punish rememmber its also exmplary....i wud rather have much stringent laws....one guy i know killed some one he managed to get out on bail..a yr later he killed some one else....so how cud we let such ppl continue to hunt.....in Saudi Arabia...crimes are much less only due to brutal punishment handed out to guilty...........any way keshi if u cud stop dancing for a sec ..need a hug : )

puremood said...

Well, all sins are equal so would that mean all crimes are equal?

Even tho I would say killing a person is much worse than someone robbing a store... but in all reality sin is sin and all sins are equal.

I have no opinion on the death penalty. I know I am not to judge.

johnny boy said...

Hi kesh...
Hmmm, raging topic.. I feel like talkin for both sides!
What you say is very true, capital punishment is not the way out.. But if making ppl realise their mistakes, and getting them back to lead a good life, is your motive - it will not work out in most cases! Your solution would be ideal, if the offender committed the 'crime' by mistake, or if he/she is not an all time criminal or anything like that!
Imagine if veerapan was caught. He wud be prisoned, and no amount of counselling wud make him change himself one bit, right!! The moment he gets released, even if it was 20 yrs later, he wud head straight for the nearest elephant camp! In such cases, there is no option but to put an end to such personalities... Its not an option keshi, its the only way out. Hence for such cases, capital punishment shud be allowed.. Not bcos its right, or cos we have the right to kill someone else... But bcos there simply is NO OTHER WAY OUT :)

johnny boy said...
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johnny boy said...

There is another big factor - aginst your solution for the criminals... If putting them in jails, torturing them and making them serve long term, is the punishment to be implemented - then there is a huge pre-requisite for this.. There shud be absolutely no corruption in the police/goverment departments! Imagine... If a big time criminal is lodged in prison for long, it wud only be a matter of time b4 the cash comes out. And talkin abt countries like ours, do we need to say more? Its too huge a risk, to be taking...
Such criminals if they manage to get out again, they might account for many more lives, and this risk is simply not worth taking! Once again, whts the only solution in such cases? Capital punishment..
We are talking abt saving the life of a criminal from capital punishment, right? Well if that very act, can put many innocent lives in danger, its not the way out dear.. We shud do anything and everything to save an innocent life!! Its too precious. No one deserves to die, for no fault of theirs!! Its tooo big a risk.
If we narrow it down, it all leads to one thing - eliminate corruption, and we can maybe think of implementing what u suggested :) In fact if u eliminate corruption, the number of criminals wud reduce by half :D lolzz
u take care and have a fun day!!

Georgiapeach said...

I am in love with your profile. Beautifully written.

tsduff said...

Hello Keshi,

When I was much younger, I used to think that the death penalty was warranted for certain crimes. I think I was conditioned that way by school, government, community, I'm not sure. It seemed logical. But I have come to believe differently now. My feeling is that the only one with the complete authority to give or take life is God. We as the human race do it anyway, and as someone else mentioned, all sin is sin. But we can't justify it. In the event of some awful threat to my loved ones, yes, I would have no trouble shooting the offender during the course of defending myself. I pray I'm never challenged like that. I also feel that nursing a grudge or hatred is like feeding poison to someone else, and then waiting to die. Revenge is death. Forgiveness is life.

Keshi said...

***NV

yes death penalty all abt revenge...and how sick is that? Like Phoenix stated, Revenge is short-lived for godssakes!
Thanks mate.











***Harashita

Wc to my blog matey and thanks!












***st000nie

muahh angel!

**wat will u do if u see ur whole family is killed by a criminal n u r left alone ?

I'd cry like hell and sue the murderers to put them in jail for life. Yes, for life...cos thats the cruelest punishment a man could get...

2 of my close uncles who worked in the Police died in the hands of terrorists in Sri Lanka...their bodies were not even intact. their families' lives changed forever...but na, I dun think killing those terrorists is going to bring back my uncles or will stop terrorism alrogether will it st000nie??


**like wat happened in Russia last year,so many innocent childres were offered by terrorism....

yes but some of them were suicide terrorists werent they? so they were prepared for death anyway...cos death is easier than prison, believe me st000nie!


**wont u want to see them dead too ?

Nope...I want them to die every single day for the rest of their life...not just like that in one second.


**n the guy u mentioned in ur post,the drug dealer, well he deserves death for sure..

Yes, according to the Singaporean law he should die...but is that really going to punish him? Is he going to be alive to feel that pumishment? Isn't life in prison a worse punishment than death? Abt the lives he would have ruined with drugs, well true...he would have destroyed many but apparently his boss is not even near getting caught...

aww mah st000nie supports death penalty...sniff sniff :(















***Saby

Hows u Saby?

**the law is an ASS

Thank u mate! The law is just made by ppl too...and we have human error everywhere!


**they crucified Jesus Christ

Spot on! They crucified Jesus only cos of the law...does anyone think it's right?
















***Rita

hey girl!

yep when it happens to one's own family, the opinions may change, but I know mine wont change no matter what...cos I have gone through it, like I said to st000nie abt my uncles...
















***Puneeeeet

U death lover lol! Ok just kidding :)


**I dun agree to your view...

quite alright with me :)


**the so called underwold don n terrorist...

only if u let them do it...


**then some plane will be hijacked...n so scrap will happen...

so u think if they r executed it wont happen? It still will happen Puneet!! terrorism isnt a thing u can stop with death penalty...


**sometimes I dun even feel that its worth trying that person in court of law...just encounter him...

dun put him on trial...send him to life in prison...isnt that worse than just death?


**World needs to be cleaned... n if it calls for killing some1... I dun disagree to it...

lol Puneet take this as an example...ur flatmate catches a terrible disease and it's quite contagious...would u kill him or or try to kill his disease?
















***Starbender

heyyya hows u?

**All in all, we are not suppose to judge each other!

true but we still do cos this is a world made of humans :)


**Cable TV, heat, hot water, obtain a degree, etc....

so true! This is what I meant...if lifetime imprisonment is given, it should be in some remote and lonely place with no nothing!















***SaffronSaris

hows u girl?

**I am of the opinion that that Nyguen guy deserves it.

true...according to the Singaporean law he deserves death...not according to human rights though.


**the haul of drugs on him will make their way to other drug dealers and eventually to addicts.

but would killing him stop that?


**BUT why should lives of drug addicts be any less precious than his?

if u decide to take drugs and get ruined, it's ur damn fault too, isnt it?


**If he knowingly brings drugs through a country with strict penalties, he should be prepared to bear the consequences.

agreed...but that still doesnt make the death penalty civil :) Im not talking abt saving him, I'm talking abt how inhuman and cruel death penalty is. We surely cant kill ppl this way can we?


**They have every right and obligation to protect their citizens and prevent illegal acts from using their countries as a conduit.

no 2 worda abt it, I agree. I respect each and every country's laws...and I dun intend to say this guy should walk free. But there's something called humantiy and civil rights....what happened to them? What abt a severe lifetime imprisonment instead of a bloodbath?















***Niki

hiii sweety :)

**(except these maniac serial killers.) i hope the govt of AUS can stop that execution. amen...

Maniacs r ppl with mental disabilities...they should never walk free but we don't have thr right to kill them.
Aus govt. tried it's best...but Singapore wouldnt budge...they want blood. How barbaric.

















***m000nie

muahhhh girl!

**i m not in favour of capital punishment...

I knew u would agree with me...hugggggz!


**its really sad n useless i think...

useless is the word!


**i know we say they deserve this... they have killed n raped n wat not...but I prefer killing them softly...

true they deserve worse than death...death is easy...they deserve slow death for life...u get what i mean m000nie!
Thanks and hugggggggz!














***Autumn

hows ya sweety?

**I'm most definitely against the death penalty.

thank ye muahhhhhhhh! Somehow I knew u would agree with me on this...


**I would still be against, but I wouldn't know, unless in such a situation.

true...I agree here...

**I don't think, one can blame the families of victims...

I agree here too. Families feel robbed and hurt so they want to see the killers dead...understandable...but we got to see the biigger picture of it all, and thats what I mean. I read a story of a father of a Oklahoma bombing victim who said this :

" I don't want Timothy to be executed...cos thats not going to bring my daughter back...and Im sure Julie would not have wanted him to die too...it's a waste of another life and adds to the tragedy...no closure can come this way...".














***Sudeep

hey hows ya? :)

ok how d u justify death penalty? or is it Revenge that we r trying to justify...?
















***Jenny S.

WC to my blog Jenny!

**I dont' see how two wrongs makes a right, and nothing is learned by killing someone for their crimes.

Spot on! Violence for violence only aggravates violence.


**How will they ever know that what they did was wrong?

Exactly my point!

Thanks so much Jenny.














**Southpaw

aww I will read it now South, a big THANK-U! :)















**DeeM

WC to my blog Deem!

**I don't think it's for anyone else to determine when another's life should end, regardless.

very well-said! And if we decide to punish ppl who take someone else's life, we r only taking revenge.


**Of course they should be punished, and some serverly and never released.

U think exactly like me...thanks!

Come ard anytime u want :)















***Icyblue

take ur time hunzz :)


















***Rohit

helllooooo :)

**if someone could think they can kill someone.. they have no right to breathe the same air. they deserve the same.

arent u spelling REVENGE here Rohit? :) Is that the right thing to do....think abt it. Cos if thats the case than terrorists r no worse than us! Life for life ha?















***Jackal

Hello my dear!

**the kind of crimes committed here....children being raped n killed helpless women being burnt for dowry....

lets look at it this way...if we decide to murder for murder, would u rape for rape? And Im sure u would say NO to that :) But why not?


**a yr later he killed some one else....so how cud we let such ppl continue to hunt..

why did they let him out?


**any way keshi if u cud stop dancing for a sec ..need a hug : )

awww HUGGGGGGGGZ Jackal! :):)












***Puremood

Hi sweety!

**Well, all sins are equal so would that mean all crimes are equal?

All crimes r not equal but always fall into the same category of wrong-doing...


**but in all reality sin is sin and all sins are equal.

agreed!


**I have no opinion on the death penalty. I know I am not to judge.

but how much do we judge everyday...and the Law judges even if it's done wrongly sometimes...

Thanks girl, I respect ur view on not to judge anyone.















***Johnny boy

helllooooooo :)

**But if making ppl realise their mistakes, and getting them back to lead a good life, is your motive - it will not work out in most cases!

Nope thats not my motive..lol...I meant punishing serious criminals for life...making them repent and dying a slow death than just by a bullet or a rope.


** Imagine if veerapan was caught.. ...The moment he gets released, even if it was 20 yrs later, he wud head straight for the nearest elephant camp! In such cases, there is no option but to put an end to such personalities...

No I didnt say they should be released :)


**Its not an option keshi, its the only way out.

NOPE there is an OPTION! Let them rot in prison...isnt that a worse punishment than quick death?


**Not bcos its right, or cos we have the right to kill someone else... But bcos there simply is NO OTHER WAY OUT :)

Disagree :) The law allows it because they think it's RIGHT, and they think they have the RIGHT to kill someone, and also becos there is another way out that they just can't be bothered to use :) dun u think so?


**then there is a huge pre-requisite for this.. There shud be absolutely no corruption in the police/goverment departments!

rather than fixing corruption in police and govts, it is just easier to kill isnt it? how sad and pathetic we have become!!


**We shud do anything and everything to save an innocent life!!

surely we cant nurture a plant by pulling out few bad leaves without curing the roots, can we? :)


**eliminate corruption, and we can maybe think of implementing what u suggested..

Im glad u brought this point up...it's exactly what we should do :) thanks matey!















***GeorgiaPeach

WC to my blog girl!

**I am in love with your profile. Beautifully written

aw thanks and hugggggggz! I shall visit u soon :)



Thanks all!
Keshi.

saby said...

** Imagine if veerapan was caught.. ... ?????



keashi dont read newspapers
only bloggs

saby said...

wat is rong. wat is right
depends upon the govt in power

and polly tics

saby said...

i have no option
but to fite wid keshi




though i love her

saby said...

after WW II
the international court tried the Nazis and the japanese




the greatest war crime was committed by USA


targetting the 2 cities Nagasaki and Hiroshima (not a military target) by WMD

Me said...

I do support 'capital punishment' for a narrow range of crime, i.e. terrorism, 'murder & rape' or 'rape & murder'.
One who kills others doesn't deserve to keep his own.

Keshi said...

Terry muahhhhhhhhhh! I love u girl...


**My feeling is that the only one with the complete authority to give or take life is God.

Cannot be said any better. And if someone thinks it's OK to kill becos he/she killed too, then that's revenge...not justice, atleast not quality justice.


**I would have no trouble shooting the offender during the course of defending myself

I agree...I dunno even I might have to kill someone in self defense..u never know. But sin is sin...just like Puremood and u stated.


** Revenge is death. Forgiveness is life.

Exactly! It's all abt Revenge and how low is that? After all we ARE human :) Yes, forgiveness is pure bliss and life...thanks dearm u have some awesome thoughts!

Keshi.

saby said...

the winner takes all
even the law

Keshi said...

Avik hellloo :)

**One who kills others doesn't deserve to keep his own.

isnt that revenge? would that bring any closure to u? Would that bring ur loved one back?

If u consider killling someone for taking someone else's life, would you consider raping him/her for raping right? :)

Keshi.

Keshi said...

Saby...:)


**targetting the 2 cities Nagasaki and Hiroshima

yeah...wasnt that revenge too? And on innocents? So does that make some ppl happy?

Keshi.

saby said...

the Cardinal in USA gave pre-absolution to the bomber in the plane dat carried the atomic bombs



wid money power u can buy religion too

saby said...

like u said
only God can judge

not padres, not Mullahs, not Pandits and Fakirs


not keshi

saby said...

BUSH sought the blessings of the Vatican prior to bombing IRAQ


Pope John Paul II showed him the door

Keshi said...

I don't judge anyone..thats why I say we cant judge a criminal even, atleast not to kill!

Keshi.

saby said...

wat do we do wid rapists then?


rapists of 14 yo girls and boys ?

saby said...

put dem in AC prisons and feed dem chicken and Ham?


for a commuted life imprisonment
to bwe released on good behaviour

saby said...

we need the death sentence
dont we?

saby said...

BUSH needs to be hanged by his balls for bombing innocents in IRAQ


and saying GOD told him to do so

saby said...

ditto for ROHIT

Keshi said...

Saby then rape for rape?

Keshi.

Keshi said...

how bloody stupid and what bloody double standards!

Keshi.

saby said...

the crime rate is lowest in Islamic countries


public whippings and hangings
wish we had the same in India


Military cout martial in war time

summary execution

Keshi said...

**summary execution

very funny saby...just becos u think it's the right thing to do, it doesnt make it right...it's all abt revenge, thats all and that's the lowest quality of justice.

Keshi.

saby said...

it takes more than 10 yeras to get a conviction in the law courts in India

and a smart lawyer can get the defendant released on procedures of arrest and evidence gathering

the pandu hawaldar is not educated on law


Julio Ribeiro hence invented encounter deaths

saby said...

if the courts cant provide justice

ppl go to Shiv Sena and Dons

Keshi said...

With South's permission I post his latest post in response to this post.

Thanks South!

---------------------------------

Finally something interesting did caught my attention!!!

This is in regards to keshi's post on capital punishment!!!

Keshi, i read ur post and also the comments of few of ur regular visitors, it was good to see the views of beautifulll people like u who are so kind hearted and think in that way. But like i mentioned in my comment a capital punishment is not convicted just like that, there are amny other facts behind such a punishment. Look at the countries which follow this rule and also look at the recent history they had in terms of crime specially narcotics and terrorism.

Lets talk about narcotics, do u have any idea how much money is generated in the narcotics trade, its enough to buy out nations if u accumilate the sum of a normal mafia or a cartel!!! Where is that money used once its generated? Its invested in the most profitable business on earth today...CORRUPTION. And the next profitable business is the business of TERRORISM. There are many more....If i keep mentioning them i'll have to keep typing for the next 20 days atleast.....
Anyways the next question is why should a small time offender be punished so heavily or should i say be convicted for his life, well even if he sells or supplies a kg of narcotics in a month, practically he has screwed lives of approximately 10 adult people and i feel if someone has practically screwed 10 lives there is no harm in taking his life for the betterment of the society in future and also make an example for the aspiring pimps....If this simple explaination is not enough i can provide u official figures and data as well.

Overall even a small time offender is responsible for spoiling the future of any society and the country and he who does that should be punished for it.
After reading this u all might say who's responsible for all this, the answer is WE, coz we all are responsible in some capacity in the betterment of the business called CORRUPTION....Do not take any personal offenses coz it was absolutely my own view based on the real life case studies of 1000s of cases and 6 years of service in the narcotics dept.

Thank you very much, all of u have a nice day!!!

Keshi said...

And this is my comment to South :)


South thanks for that detailed explanation and thanks for coming back :)


I know what u mean...and it's not just cos Im kind hehehe..it's also not cos I dont u'stand the seriousness and the consequences of crimes such as narcotics and terrorism. But no matter how much justification death penlaty carries (not forgetting the millions it costs too:), do you honestly think it's a detterent? And by killing would he/she even repent it? Isnt slow death for the rest of his/her life a worse and more deserving punishment than instant death? That's my point...


With ur permission I will post both ur's and my comments in my post..thanks!

Keshi.

saby said...

FUCK !

dis debate has tired me out
lets go back to the previous post

and dance

Keshi said...

Saby if innocence is proved in courts then why not release him/her just like when proven guilty they get executed???


Keshi.

saby said...

its not about revenge honey
we cant allow rapists roaming our streets


my wife and daughter wont be safe
my wife will though


she dont look too sexy

Keshi said...

**we cant allow rapists roaming our streets

Saby I would imagine u aint that dumb..lol..cos I aint talking abt setting them free...duhh u still didnt get it!

Keshi.

Vivhyd said...

This is a very big issue Keshi and I have thought about this be4 and I think a person who has commited the most heinous crime and has been found guilty and doesnt repent for his crime.. needs to be punished severely.. depending on the circumstances and the crime I think capital punishment becomes neccessary cos we dont need these guys in the society. Well I know taking a life out doesnt cross out the crime but still.. I think it is neccessary.. a kinda neccessary evil u can say.. very contentious issue...

saby said...

Rohit,

you can never be 100% sure if someone is guilty. I mean you give a guilty verdict in criminal trials "beyond all reasonable doubt." But i mean 'all reasonable doubt'.. that doesnt really imply 100% certaintiy.
i do agree sometimes the rong person gets hanged
viz me instead of ROHIT



but dat is collateral damage

saby said...

i win the debate
Keshi is a loosa

saby said...

nutting more


just thumbs nose at Keshi
and goes NNNAAHHHH !

saby said...

On second tot


Honestly Kesh
I dunno who/wat is right or rong


But I do no
Dat i love u

And dat if u love me too
(and not ROHIT)

Wat a wonderful world
Dis world wud be

sittingnut said...

about southpaw's argument that drug trade and corruption, i will ask, can you prove that death penalty has any effect on the spread of drug use or corruption? answer is no. in fact death penalty has no effect on any crime. things like economy, demographic, and culture has the greatest effect on whether a country has a high crime rate or not.

to ppl arguing that heinous criminals should be killed bc we do not need them in society, aren't you in effect arguing that ppl should die so that we can live in peace. what is the difference between that and a murderer who thinks that he can kill so as to say get rich and live in peace?

keshi:
sorry about your uncles.:-( soon we achieve peace here the better.

uttara said...

hey keshi ..i dont agree with the point which u have made for once :) coz here in mum .. coz of all underworld thing n crime i cant think how they can be sooooooo cruel .. but then they shud be punished .. else they will get a bail n rule the world ..so we r giving them the chance to rule also ..


crime may may small or big ..but then crime is a crime u see

i saw BLACK FRIDAY .. a part of it .. time constarint gotta see it .. it abt the bombay blast ... its sadenning .. i was a kid then .. but it was frightening ..

n now wen i saw the movie .. its scaring .. so do u think we can allow others to take our lives .. n wen we know who they r ???

hugzzzzzz babes
love u
uttara

Johnny B. Good said...

any body wanna dance?

Johnny B. Good said...

wud have asked Kesh
but she has been hauled up by her boss


she wont be around for who nos how long

Johnny B. Good said...

93,

Johnny B. Good said...

for me dis is work
i work for blogger

and Mr Google

Johnny B. Good said...

95,

Johnny B. Good said...

dis 100 is going to be a pice of cake for me


like stealing candy from Rohit baby

southpaw said...

@sittingnut
to ppl arguing that heinous criminals should be killed bc we do not need them in society, aren't you in effect arguing that ppl should die so that we can live in peace. what is the difference between that and a murderer who thinks that he can kill so as to say get rich and live in peace?*** There is a huge difference my friend, its very easy for a person who has born independent and has no direct impact of such things in life to take that independence and the peace taken for granted. When u start dealing with such things first hand all the perceptions change in a flick of a second. Nobody likes the jungle rule or the live for a live rule, but there is a very old saying,"you must always reply in the language u were questioned" When the war is taken to their backyard, things do change and change in a big way, what u may see in the society and the figures u may read in news and the pictures u see are not always true. If every one of us would sit in a corner just coz we cant be hideous like them then u can't imagine where the society will go.

Keshi said...

Vivhyd heyy!

Well if u think capital punishment does not cross out the crime (it only doubles it actually), how can u say it's necessary and righteous to implement it? :):)











Sittingnut hello :)

**can you prove that death penalty has any effect on the spread of drug use or corruption?

exactly my point!


**to ppl arguing that heinous criminals should be killed bc we do not need them in society, aren't you in effect arguing that ppl should die so that we can live in peace.

wow words of sheer brilliance! Thanks Sittingnut...u completed my Qs to ppl who support it. Any takers now? :):)

And hey thanks for those words abt my uncles...yes so they r considered colatteral damage..hehe..












Uttara huggggggggggz!

**i dont agree with the point which u have made for once :)

good friends have to agree to disagree too o.w. it's too boring and unreal :)


**how they can be sooooooo cruel .. but then they shud be punished .. else they will get a bail n rule the world ..so we r giving them the chance to rule also ..

nope...not if we punish them for life in prison. Killing them wont assure us there's not gonna be new ones...does it?


**crime may may small or big ..but then crime is a crime u see

sure is...so is death peanlty a crime and all those who support it and execute it have blood in their hands...:)


**n now wen i saw the movie .. its scaring .. so do u think we can allow others to take our lives .. n wen we know who they r ???

no ways we cant allow them to do that! But by killing the criminals we r becoming criminals too, arent we? more than a movie that depicts the inhuman underworld, what's more scary to me is us the so-called civilised ppl preparing the gurney or a rope to kill another human being...then what's the difference between us and them? Like Sittingnut stated, just like the criminal killed for his peace of mind, we r also killing for our peace of mind...isnt that so? :)



Keshi.

Keshi said...

South I know what u mean...but what Sittingnut and I r trying to say is if we kill just becos he/she killed, then what's the difference between us and them?

Isnt lifetime prison a more cruel punishment than instant death?


Keshi.

southpaw said...

Isnt lifetime prison a more cruel punishment than instant death?***not always...like i hv said atleast more than a couple of times that there are many things taken into consideration before convicting somebody for a death sentence.

but what Sittingnut and I r trying to say is if we kill just becos he/she killed, then what's the difference between us and them?***i think i have already given an explaination on that. Do not take any personal offenses but its very easy to debate on such things but the perceptions change when u deal them first hand. No enforcement ageny would like to take lives just like that after all a country's image is associated with that, but its like when u got to do, u hv to do....

Keshi said...

hmm South, I still dun agree but lets agree to disagree as good friends always do :) hugggggggz!

Keshi.

Keshi said...

what I mean is killing someone (lawfully or not) is simply barbaric.

Keshi.

Johnny B. Good said...

True

but its not barbaric to kill a barbarian

Johnny B. Good said...

i love Keshi

and debates
coz i always win

southpaw said...

As u say keshi...:)as far as the barbarism is concerned, i wud always be a barbarian rather than a mute spectator...
Good day keshi!!!!

Keshi said...

**but its not barbaric to kill a barbarian


it still is...doesnt matter what sort of person the victim is, a crime is a crime.

In that case why isnt anyone killing most of the world leaders who kill millions in the name of law and order? They r barbarians too...And so r the executioners...how come they r still breathing? :):)

Keshi.

Keshi said...

South :)

** wud always be a barbarian rather than a mute spectator...

I wouldnt be a mute spectator...I would handle the barbarian in a different way...but wont go down to his levels :)


Keshi.

uttara said...

southy n keshiii.........

shhhhhhhh now

hugzzzzzzzzz both ...

uttara

Johnny B. Good said...

we must love Tigers
but when a tiger becomes a man-eater


we gotta kill him/her

southpaw said...

In that case why isnt anyone killing most of the world leaders who kill millions in the name of law and order? They r barbarians too...And so r the executioners...how come they r still breathing? :):)*** Nobody's killing them coz then the debate which is right now restricted only to ur site will come on streets...lols

Keshi said...

lol Uttara ok then :) huggggggggggz South lets end this b4 we get too emotional and me start screaming and crying...lol!






Saby

**we must love Tigers
but when a tiger becomes a man-eater

ok ur talking abt animals lol...Im talking abt another human being :):)


Keshi.

southpaw said...

I would handle the barbarian in a different way.***Pls elaborate!!!

PuNeEt said...

hi babezzz
howz u

only if u let them do it...
what do u mean by that…
as if they will abide laws

terrorism isnt a thing u can stop with death penalty...
na its not to stop terrorism… its just about making sure they don’t get any more chance…

send him to life in prison...isnt that worse than just death
na… I dun believe is all such drama… make it simple… no worries for the authorities also…

ur flatmate catches a terrible disease and it's quite contagious...would u kill him or or try to kill his disease?
firstly the two situations are non comparable…
secondly… unfortunately some disease cant be killed…
thirdly… person suffering from contagious disease wont spread the disease
on his will… its just tat he is helpless…

am sorry but I dun have any respect for their lives…

Cheers

Keshi said...

South...lol I said this in my post...send him to lifetime prison with heavy work and nothing else...thats slow and cruel death till he really dies...and he will repent somehow...

Keshi.

Johnny B. Good said...

i have already killed BUSH by cyber


the other world leaders who need to be castrated are ...

Bal Thakeray
he has been killed
he lost the vote yesterday

so did Lallu Prasad Yadav
both are history

the pen is mightier than the sword for public figures

southpaw said...

@uttara
Ahem ahem...how u doing?alright no more arguements...:)

Keshi said...

Puneet lolz ur a barbarian..Im kidding ok :)


So u believe in death...not life :)


Keshi.

Johnny B. Good said...

humna beings are not animals
they are beasts

-Nafissa Ali
who committed suicide

icyblue said...

Me back :)

Death... I feel is an easy way to escape from ur "crime" For most of us, death is the last phase in our lives...

So instead of punishing a person by giving him a death sentence, the best would be to make him suffer. Each and every second I would want to see him suffer... Pay for the crime he did... For the pain he caused... I'm sure the crime he committed cannot be reversed, but at least a small mental satisfaction would be there for me.

Quite a sensitive topic... but got my gray cells thinking :)

Have a good day Keshi..
-Icy :)

southpaw said...

@puneet
send him to life in prison...isnt that worse than just death
na… I dun believe is all such drama… make it simple… no worries for the authorities also…*** absolutely

Keshi said...

Saby :)

**humna beings are not animals
they are beasts
-Nafissa Ali
who committed suicide


They may be...I can relate to that too :) but that still doesnt give us the right to kill anyone else...then we become the beasts too...

And Nafisa didnt go and kill her man...she killed herself...:)

Keshi.

Keshi said...

Icyyyy muahhhhhhh!

**instead of punishing a person by giving him a death sentence, the best would be to make him suffer.

yesssssss and why cant Puneet, Saby and South get this?? :)



** I'm sure the crime he committed cannot be reversed, but at least a small mental satisfaction would be there for me.

yes...and if he's killed then what's after that?? nothing. Only we suffer!


Keshi.

Keshi said...

Puneet and South :)

**I dun believe is all such drama… make it simple… no worries for the authorities also

duhh thats slack...just cos it's easier for us, its not gonna be the right thing to do :)

Keshi.

southpaw said...

Phew!!!i m a bit busy for a couple of days, after that i have to come up with a post on the complications of a life sentence, maybe that would serve some purpose...lols

Keshi said...

lol South I look forward to that post...well Im gonna be bloody annoying to u in that too..lolllllz!

Lets just agree to disagree and leave this one :)


Keshi.

uttara said...

ahem ahem ...
am gooooddddddd wat abt u ??

:D

uttara

southpaw said...

Yo keshi, its not the question of being annoying or something, i am fine as long as the debate is on a right track so u can bring in ur points on that post as well...:)Now i gotta go, see u in a couple of days!!!!

Keshi said...

Uttaraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!


Keshi.:)

Keshi said...

I totally agree South...a healthy debate is always good for the brain and soul :) Thanks for taking part in this...it was really very interesting :)


Keshi.

Keshi said...

ok guys this Death Penalty topic has sent me up the walls, lol Im taking a break...everyone go to Uttara's blog..she has things for us to steal from her yeyyyyyyyy!


Keshi.

Johnny B. Good said...

capital punishment is a deterrent to wud be criminals

it works

i travel widout ticket on indian railways
coz i can get away wid paying the fine

very often the TC dont want to give u a penalty ticket

he justs wants 20% cash

corruption needs to be eliminated in India


Kill the polly ticians who need black money to win elections

uttara said...

where r u goinggggggggggggg w.o telling me :((((((( sobzzzzzzzzzzz

~~ basanthi sobbingggggggg~~

keshii tell him to be here na!!!!!!!!! plzzzzzzzzzzz


kkkkkeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

lol

Johnny B. Good said...

UTTARA

wont u gimme 20% of the love u give to kesh?

Keshi said...

Saby I no longer answer death penalty related Qs..lol...ok only this one :)

**capital punishment is a deterrent to wud be criminals


how? any proof other than the train ticket story :)








Uttara aww I was thinking u were crying for me lol...duhh it's for South :(

Keshi.

Johnny B. Good said...

err,,

i sure hope UTTARA is not a male guy

uttara said...

awwwwwwwww

i sobzzzzzz for u alwayssssss ...

:( coz u not with me here right now :(((

hugzz keshiiiii

Johnny B. Good said...

i dont need proof
i just no










yeah, i no Uttara has a soft corner for me too

she wont show it though
she wont strip

Caraf said...

the worst crime is to take someone's heart without giving yours in return
:|

Johnny B. Good said...

i just flagged dis post


open display of emotions by les guys is objectionable

Johnny B. Good said...

CARAFFFFFFF

gimme back my heart

Keshi said...

do not sobbb and eat dinner Uttara lol!
awwww hugggggz! mez here always na...









Johnny how many women ur after? lol!







Hey Caraf muahhhhhhh! Missed ya gal!
U said that too well girl...I have been the victim of that crime tooo :(



Keshi.

Keshi said...

Hey Uttara I will be back to steal ur heart..lol!

Keshi.

Johnny B. Good said...

i wudnt marry Caraf
she is a beeg spender

she travels round the globe and eats in fancy restaurants

uttara said...

hey babes...

u take care :)) hugzzzzz
miss u till tom..:)

uttara

Johnny B. Good said...

i will miss u too Uttara

icyblue said...

kesh: we think on the same lines.... So they say.."Great minds think alike"...
For all those who think otherwise.... (u get the msg :D)

Johnny B. Good said...

i no
but lovers dont tink










dats wat we are

4u2nvau/Rohit said...

Rolls his eyes at icyblue

strawy said...

a 19 yrs old guy raped n killd a 14 yrs old gal few years ago, n in the trial he said he wanted to kill the whole family....
coz of his age he got 15 yrs inprisonment... few months be4 he escaped n the whole family is moved to a secret place ...
whoz getting the punishment ???
the guy who did the crime ??
or the family who lost their daughter n now their lives is in danger ?
if he wud have got death penalty ,the family wud have been living like all others .... no like this ...
tell me keshu... how can u say death pennalty is wrong ??
those who are born criminals,
who has crime genes in their blood, can never chage by long punishement...

st000nie

uttara said...

keshhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiii..

NEW POSTYYYYYYYYYYY

lollzzzzzzzz
hugzzzzzzzz

uttara

Keshi said...

~~chases Uttara to steal her heart...
lol!










~~Icyblue...;-) ;-)
huggzz babez u got me right!












lol NV meanie...








Saby did u even ask Caraf? lol!








st000nie huggggz!

Hey I have heard worse crimes babez...:) but thats not what I mean...u stil didnt get me darl :) I meant even by killing that guy u were talkin abt, is that going to stop crime? Would that really punish the guy? Yeah I U'stand that the girl's family now lives in fear, but who's fault is it that he's walking free? I mean life imprisonment so that he feels every bit of the crime he committed...for a very long time.
TC sweety!





Thanks guys...lol Uttara I think a new posty will do now cos ppl r getting emotional and so am I...awww....lolllz!

Keshi.

Johnny B. Good said...

What have I got to do to make you love me
What have I got to do to make you care
What do I do when lightning strikes me
And I wake to find that you're not there

What do I do to make you want me
What have I got to do to be heard
What do I say when it's all over
And sorry seems to be the hardest word

It's sad, so sad
It's a sad, sad situation
And it's getting more and more absurd
It's sad, so sad
Why can't we talk it over
Oh it seems to me
That sorry seems to be the hardest word

What do I do to make you love me
What have I got to do to be heard
What do I do when lightning strikes me
What have I got to do
What have I got to do
When sorry seems to be the hardest word

Johnny B. Good said...

Love means never having to say sorry

Keshi said...

Saby d u ever sleep, eat or have a bath? lol cos whatever time I come, u r here...aww...:)

Keshi.

uttara said...

u dont have to run anywhere chasinggg me .. am right in front of u :p

hugzz n says .. take my heart away..

( take my breathe away - Berlin )

but then am getting urs :D .. soo am happpyyyyy

hugzzzzzzzzzz
megggggggaaaaaa hugzz


mermaid

Johnny B. Good said...

asking a girl
can be hazardous

i aske Tanvi
i gott beaten up by dat silly punjabi

i asked Autmn
and now sumbody wants my scalp

Johnny B. Good said...

i readjusted my biological clock to Austryalaya time

Keshi said...

heyyyyyyyyyy Uttaraaaaaaaaaa muahhhhhhhhh!

ok ready for the heart transplant Drew?

Signing off...
Cameron (lol!)

Johnny B. Good said...

if dis aint love
i dont no wat is

Keshi said...

na na Saby lol Uttara and I r part of the Charlies Angels :) Who's Charlie now? mmmmmmmmmmmm...mmmmmmmm....

uttara said...

hey keshi .. read st00s blog :D

hugzzzzzz
gd nt swt drmz
sleep tight

muahhhh

Drew

Invincible said...

Keshu, i do concur that capital punishment is a heinous act. How do we qualify to kill human life.
I had thought even from the spiritual aspect. Are we given the authority to kill someone. But on a practical note,

What @ abortions? Arent we killing life here?
What @ killing animals, or we can kill them but we shudnt hang humans.
We have fought wars for centuries killing innocent ppl.

Now,
If a person alive can be a threat to the society, better kill him and save the rest. You imprison a terrorist and his troops wud kidnap someone even hijack a plane and wud demand his acquittal in return.

I second what Strawy said. Now, ur reply to her 'stopping the crime', well, give everyone everything he/she desires. That's the only way to stop crime. But then it is not practical, right? and the desires just keep growing. The laws r enacted so that ppl are feared to commit a crime. Laws cant change psyche of ppl. And we cant risk lives of innocent ppl just to save some insane souls and teach them moral lesson, NO WAY !! How wud u justify it to those who lost their lives in this process.

For the others, i wud say give them chance to repent, to feel the gravity of their crimes, and to come back into life later.

Keshi said...

lolz Uttara we r too silly meanie girls..haha! I commented in st000nie's blog hehe...check it out...

mez gonna hit the sack now :) goooood nite...cath u tomorrow..it was terrific hearing an angel's voice....(wink wink..)

Huggggggggggz Uttara! n u too Saby :)
Keshi.

uttara said...

yeh we too meaniee now .. wil get bk to meanie action from now on ...:D uh uh !!!...loll

yeeeyyyyyy the charlies angel ..
hottiieeesssss ..loll

Cameron(u), Drew(me)...nnnnnnnn Salmaaaa (st000niee)
lolzzzz ......yyyeeeeeyyyyyyyyy


yeh yeh .. it was wwoowwww hearing u n st000nie...yyeeeeeyyyy u both r my sweethearts ..muaahhh
all r gonna be "J" of me ..lolll

love u more than eva

uttara ..ooopsss Drew (hot n sexy !!! )

loll

SaffronSaris said...

Keshi--still on this topic. (This is like so high school debate class!)
Why should taxpayers' $$ be spent on the upkeep of murderers/drug traffickers? As a taxpayer, I'd rather my $$ goes towards putting children in school or buidling better infrastucture, not building maximun-security prisons to keep dangerous people away from society.
And I do wonder, is it more humane to end his life or to keep him behing bars for the rest of his life, bearing in mind he is only 25 yrs old!
Is losing freedom a more platable option than not knowing what losing freedom means?
*My little 2 cents worth*

saby said...

Make a joyful noise to the LORD, all the earth!

Serve the LORD with gladness!
Come into his presence with singing!

Know that the LORD, he is God!
It is he who made us, and we are his;
we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

Enter his gates with thanksgiving,
and his courts with praise!
Give thanks to him; bless his name!

For the LORD is good;
his steadfast love endures forever,
and his faithfulness to all generations.

saby said...

Praise the blog goddess
she is good


nay she is the best

saby said...

death penalty debate on line


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/jan-june01/penalty_6-11.html

saby said...

the life of man is to be protected, whether from animals (9:5a) or other men (9:5b). Life is a direct from God (2:7-9), was divinely imparted (2:7), and divinely maintained (2:9). The importance of the life of man, made in God’s image, emphasizes the importance of protecting that life! Some would argue that capital punishment for a murderer "cheapens" human dignity. In reality, it accentuates human dignity! When one person murders another, he is murdering one made in God’s image. Some would argue this is a form of "Deicide" along with "homicide." Life is so valuable, that if you dare break the command of God regarding the sanctity of life, your own life would be required. This is the essence of Gen. 9:6.

2. Exodus 21:12-14 commands capital punishment for premeditated murder.

3. Exodus 21:22-23 commands capital punishment for harming a pregnant woman or her unborn baby.

Note that there are other instances that God commanded capital punishment in the Scriptures, such as kidnapping (Exo. 21:16), adultery (Lev. 20:10), cursing father or mother (Lev. 21:17), offering human sacrifices (Lev. 20:2), rape (Deut. 22:23-27), and even rebellion in a son (Deut. 21:18-21) among many other examples. We would argue today that murder seems to be the crime which would demand capital punishment, and perhaps even in the Old Testament. Kaiser states, "Only for the first crime, premeditated murder, was there a ‘ransom’ or a substitute payment unacceptable (Num. 35:31) but presumably all other capital crimes could be committed as the judges determined. The death penalty marks the seriousness of these errors."1 Though this may be arguable, there has been no documentation that any rebellious son was stoned in the ancient writings that have been found. David was not put to death for adultery (2 Sam. 11:4, though he certainly should have been for murder!), nor was Solomon for worshipping Molech, which likely included child sacrifices (Lev. 20:2, 1 Kings 11:7). Thus I would at least argue that not all of the capital crimes listed demanded death. The crime of "murder," the Heb. radzah, however, had no exceptions.

B. In the New Testament

1. Romans 13:3-5, which defines the purposes of government

a. to protect the good,
b. to punish evil-doers, v. 4 The bearing of the sword seems to validate that capital punishment was still the command. Though there are some that would argue that the sword is merely a symbol of authority, there is no scriptural warrant for that interpretation. He bears the sword – for a purpose!

2. Acts 25:10-11 teaches that:

a. some crimes are worthy of death, v. 11
b. the government has the right to issue the punishment, v. 10
c. the guilty have no right to protest the death penalty, 11

3. John 19:11, Jesus Christ illustrates that:

a. He did not oppose capital punishment in His case
b. He did not oppose capital punishment in His teaching
c. He never said that the government has no right to exercise capital punishment

II. THE SECULAR ARGUMENTS OPPOSING CAPITAL PUNISHMENT
A. Social Argument: "Capital punishment does not restrain crime."
Response: It does deter crime! It prevents the murderer from committing other crimes, and deters other criminals. Studies have shown that every execution of a convicted murderer deters 156 murderers.2

B. Penal Argument: "Capital punishment does not rehabilitate the criminal."
Response: Capital punishment is not designed to be rehabilitative, but retributive. There is a difference between chastisement and justice.

C. Moral Argument: "Capital punishment does not reflect love."
Response: God is not only love, but light, love, life, truth, and just. Love does not automatically dissolve wrong-doing. Love may be geared toward the greater good – the people that will not be victimized by the perpetrator in the future.

D. Pacifist Argument: "Capital punishment does not rectify evil. Two wrongs don’t make a right."
Response: Governments are appointed to be God’s instruments of justice. Crime demands punishment at all levels. What God calls right we must not call wrong. And again, it is retributive, not corrective.

E. Spiritual Argument: "Capital punishment could snatch sinners out of heaven before salvation. Our efforts should be on salvation, not condemnation."
Response: There is plenty of time for repentance between sentencing and execution. There is not proof that more time will cause man to be saved. A most important fact to remember – GOD IS SOVEREIGN!!

Summary: Kaiser summarizes it well, "It was because humans are made in the image of God that capital punishment for first degree murder became a perpetual obligation. To kill a person was tantamount to killing God in effigy. That murderer’s life was owed to God, not to society …"3

It is important to see that capital punishment for the crime of murder was commanded in Genesis 9, is practiced in the Old Testament, maintained in the New Testament, and was never rescinded. Thus, it is still compelling! It is also important to note that all human life taking was not wrong – e. g. besides capital punishment, wars may be justified (Gen. 14, Josh. 6), as is self defense (Exo. 22:2, Luke 22:36).

End Notes:

saby said...

NOT MY VIEWS

copy pated from here
http://logosresourcepages.org/OurTimes/punishment.htm

Dewdrop said...

I believe in justice. So whatever punishment it takes to be fair and just, Id support it, as long as the judges are not bias

Rohit Talwar said...

you can think so. but i believe just that!! revenge is quite a heavy term here... dont know.. may be!!

Łóòň Ġãĺ said...

I so agree with you. Death isnt the correct punishment for that person, but probably for his loved ones/family!
The criminal deserves to rot in the prison, and not enjoy the freedom from life post-death!

Vivek Panda said...

My dear Keshi,

you have put down your thoughts very touchingly. Now lemme express myself :

Do you think it is a better option even for the criminal to be rotting in the prison for 12 years than to take a strong dose of poison and...whoosh...meet the ineviable in life.

Everyday hundreds of innocent people die of starvation while millions of tonnes of food are being served to criminals...is it right ?

What does your conscience say ?

take care,
vivek

Someone Somewhere said...

i agree with you completely!
but the sad part is that most people don't understand this :(

UD said...

hi keshi,
good post u made ppl think,i believe in justice, let the punishment go by judgement.

johnny boy said...

Hiiiiiiiiiiiiii :)
Nice to know that you totally disagree with almost everything that I had written about :) lol.. Jus kidddin! Your opinion and your point of view is taken, with respect :))
Your last line, was such a relief.. Atlast somethin you agreed with me on! :D lolz... And i was supposed to be the one giving all the wisdom :P Jus wondering where the wisdom went, all of a sudden :))) heheh
Jus kiddddinnnnggggg... You take care, and have a lovely day!!!
Keep smilinnnggggg away... :)

saby said...

Johnny be good

saby said...

u dont want yr ass kicked by an Ex- Dempo footballer

Keshi said...

Hey v000nie :)

Totally respect ur pint of view...but ofcourse I don't agree :)

**What @ abortions? Arent we killing life here?
What @ killing animals, or we can kill them but we shudnt hang humans.

Abortion is wrong...it's killing too. Animal cruelty is the same! I never said any of this is ok :) but ppl still do it, just like maintaining death penalty.


**If a person alive can be a threat to the society, better kill him and save the rest.

tell me this v000nie...we have been executing ppl for centuries...has crime rates beinf reduced or increased now compared to then? Infact there's more crime now than before! What I mean death penalty in no way a detterent. Must be for u and me cos we r sane, but the willed man is going to do it no matter what. And by saying that killing him is saving 100 more innocents is so somehow not quality justice...would u kill someone just to protect ur peace? Then wouldnt u be doing just the same as what the criminal did? Cos he killed someone for his peace of mind too be it anger or in sheer revenge...



**How wud u justify it to those who lost their lives in this process.

There's no way u can bring back the dead and there's no way u can punish the dead :)


Thanks v000nie...I'm with u on what u mean abt insane ppl etc but I just don't see capital punishment as a real and quality punishment :)













Hey Saffronz :)

yes it's more like High School debates lol! But it's all good...good to debate like this...:)

**Why should taxpayers' $$ be spent on the upkeep of murderers/drug traffickers?

Saffronz d u know it costs millions just to manitain the death penalty w.o. even executing anyone in a year? :) Have u read the link I gave in the post...u should....


**And I do wonder, is it more humane to end his life or to keep him behing bars for the rest of his life

yes it is...it humane cos we aint killing anyone...plus it is the most severe yet quality form of punishment in the sense that he/she will repent it every sinngle day of his life and ofcourse he/she isnt dead not to know what losing freedom is abt :) dun u think?

Anyways thanks Saffy for ur views and I repect them too...altho we dun have to agree on all, we r going well hehe :)












Uttaraaaa ooops I mean Drew :) Someone's got a sexxxy voice...wooohooo ;-)














Saby it will take me 1 week to read that comment lol but I will get back to u soon :)











Arun hey thanks and ur right...but who r we to judge anyone? :)










lolz Johnnyboy lets agree to disagree yeyyyy! That way we still can keep our friendship as well as our sanity intact lol :)











Somewhere helloo!

Thanks for seeing my point of view...yes it's sad that there's so many who think killing another is ok...well the world is full of different ppl na...we must respect all views :)




Keshi.

Keshi said...

Hey Guys,

Thanks for a healthy debate on this topic..I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks for bringing across ur honest views and even tho some of them differed from mine, I respect all of ur views and justifications. Everyone has a point of view and just becos it's different from mine it doesnt mean they r wrong...we r only mere mortal beings on this Earth...we are limited in so many ways that decisions we make for ourselves and even for others can be totally wrong even without our knowledege. So in this topic, maybe Im wrong...or maybe you are wrong...only God knows :)


But thanks so much for taking part and playing it like a sport. Keep ur heads straight and keep smiling always :)

Hugggggz all!

Keshi.

Łóòň Ġãĺ said...

La la la

saby said...

La la la ???????

DAMN!
she is crazier than she looks

Kerry said...

keshi--you thoughts are worthy of commedation, i belive in your words and talent. i have so missed reading your blog. i am so glad you are back!

*big hugs*

oh, i almost forgot, beautiful picture too!

Keshi said...

Hey Cheesy Im glad u believe in life and not death :)






Kerry muahhhhhhh n thanks hun!


Keshi.

saby said...

dis debate has been debated more than 100 years ago

it happened in my gen
its deja vu for me

it was unfair on my part to participate


SORRY PUNKS !

saby said...

KERRY EEEEEEEEEEEEE !

u look sexy as ever
esp. yr butt

saby said...

i nominate ROHIT for the best commenter award



he has been a loosa far too long
dont want him doing sumting nasty

like tying his neck tie too tight

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poor girl

she has to work today too

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mebbe she didnt dress sexy today too

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4u2nvau/Rohit said...

Saby go take some rest grandpa

saby said...

guys are still in bed??

saby said...

hahahahahahaha