Monday, January 8

Good People

So you think you're a good person. What do you think a good person is like? Everyone has different criteria for it but there's one thing that is common to all good people. I believe good people don't wish death upon someone else. Did any of you see Saddam Hussein's hanging footage on TV? How disgusting and how very low was that? No man deserves that! No man. I'm sure even death-penalty supporters would have frozen in fear and shock when they saw the footage. How many of you still support this kind of barbaric acts? You may say he deserves it . And so it's revenge is it? I don't care what he did before but who are we to take his life? Besides did it prove/solve anything at all other than fuelling further violence? Along with his death, so many others died as a result of sectarian riots. By killing someone, does it bring peace? If it does, just tell me how? If it does bring peace then we should have seen some miracle peace in Iraq rather than those additional violent deaths the day after!!

How can you be happy about someone else's death no matter how bad that person was? Death is so final and it doesn't bring any solutions with it. Just why don't people realise that from violence we can't resolve violence? Is this concept very difficult to understand? Does organised butchery in the name of Law/God/Society stand for justice? HOW? I believe Saddam's execution was not justice. It was pure vengeance. And that's all Death Penalty ever serves, be it Saddam or any other criminal. For if it brought justice, why do we have more and more crime and violence on the rise. Why is this world on the brink of being swamped by terrorism and war? Cos people are not afraid to die anymore. Cos we the 'good' people are promoting death! Cos we the 'good' people are teaching our youngsters that if someone hurt you, that it's ok to go and hang them...that it's ok to KILL. Violence is being justified by us, so what can we expect from the average man? So people, the death penalty never worked, isn't working and won't work. No one will ever get any justice/closure from it. It only worsens the pain cos it's only a form of vengeance not justice, and vengeance only digs the wound. The criminal dies with his convictions not having learnt anything at all. The victims' families will suffer for life anyways. We the foolish killers think we are better than the criminals, when we have gone and committed the same crime! So we think we are doing the right thing as a bunch of 'good' people? Don't wish death upon someone else and claim yourself to be a good person, cos you are not. If you were happy at seeing/hearing of someone's death, then it's equivalent to having blood in your hands. Good people can't/won't find a reason to justify violence.

Here are few Buddhist quotes about violence:

~~Through violence, you may 'solve' one problem, but you sow the seeds for another.
~~Violence can only be justified if you are unenlightened
~~They are not following dharma who resort to violence to achieve their purpose. But those who lead others through nonviolent means, knowing right and wrong, may be called guardians of the dharma.

And that last quote is my definition of 'good' people. So don't be a commoner who rejoices in the suffering of another. Be a better human being and set an example to those lost people. Be a shining light instead of one of the millions of unlit lamps.



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SaffronSaris said...

Ola, a post on capital punishment. I was comtemplating writing on this particular hanging. You are right in that Saddam's hanging is pure vengence, nothing more. He did not even have a proper trial. It is always tricky to try a "dictator". So he did invade Kuwait and had many people killed. But, the war with Iran, which he fought on behalf of other Arab nations. They stood by as a puppet court "tried" him. I can only shake my head in disbelief.

Anonymous said...

'an eye for an eye' prompted the death sentence

its from the Old Testament of the Bible, a book of the Jews and fanatical christians and muslims


Jesus demolished the Old Testament
and was hence put to death by the elders in the jewish community then

Anonymous said...

Gandhi-ji read the Bible and responded


an eye for an eye will make the hole fucking world blind

Anonymous said...

He was killed too for his non-violence and trying to pacify indian muslims

a man who preches non-violence usually ends up being killed as in Rev Martin Luther King, Jr too

tulipspeaks said...

hey sweetheart, Gd morning :)))

well, not a post i want to read on Monday morning. but i knw it must have bothered u alot. im not exactly a fan of Saddam, but i agree with u that he don't deserves such death. everyone entitles to have a private, peaceful death i believe. its just disheartening to see a nation who claims to preserve world peace taking matters into its own hand.

btwn cheerful darling. dont be moodie on monday morning okie? :)))

hugssssss & kissesssss

=ammu=

Anonymous said...

the games nations play

when IRAQG fot IRAN the fundamentalist state, SADDAM was the blue eyed boy of the US

but after the war he invaded KUWAIT, an ally of USA

SADDAM was out


same happened to OSAMA after afghanistan (OSAMA was trained and funded by US to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan)

the same applies to PAKISTAN, under Gen Mush

green libertarian said...

Wonderful post. The hanging of Saddam was barbaric. As a Liberal (non-programmed) Quaker, we believe the light of God is in each and every human being. We renounce all violence, as violence against any person is not only wrong, but is an affront to God/the Higher Power, which lives within all of us.

Be the Change you wish to see in the world.

Peace.

southpaw said...

So you think you're a good person.***

Not at all, i m not a good person by any means. I personify violence, hv loads of attitude problem.

Anonymous said...

But i m trying to become a good person so the first thing i did is rescued that cute babe from saby's dungen.

Kumar Chetan said...

i have lived with lawyers and here is what they say.
A Cobra will attack when confronted but a human may attack even if it is not confronted.
Sounds bit harsh but this is how the things work in REAL world. Regarding Saddam Hussein's execution I will quote Adnan, my Pakistani blogger pal, "...this happens to every dictator." The only issue is he was against US or say US was against him. Call it simply Oil Politics. Politics is a dirty game and no one can clean it.
Ch33r up lady.
And Yes, am a saggi. Best ppl in this Galaxy are Saggis.
Shameless Self Promotion.

Anonymous said...

** So you think you're a good person.

"good person" as u put is just a point of view ... there are no absolutes when it comes to such adjectives :) ... terrorists consider themselves good as they believe they are doing it for a cause ... and that it takes courage to take a few lives towards something ... all adjectives are just opinions and subject to interpretation by an individuals circumstances

** No man deserves that! No man.

I dun know what happened in saddam's case. But dyu think those scores of ppl who were dumped into bunkers and stuff and gased deserved that. Just imagine dear a suffocating slow and painful death. I'm just impassive to this man's fate for what is "Claimed" he did, although it was inevitable.

** Just why don't people realise that from violence we can't resolve violence?

not everyone is keshi :p ... did u realize that the terrorists r thinking as to why people don't understand/realize their cause/conviction ... they don't kill people for fun ... they do that for something in return ... we keep preaching that the reason they have are no good ... coz we consider ourselves good ... but that again is just an opinion ;)) ...

** For if it brought justice, why do we have more and more crime and violence on the rise.

coz its not just the "justice system" that is trying to prove a point ... but the opposition too ... as to who has the upper hand ... the justice system too commits violence in fear of loosing power

imagine a world where the so called "good" don't commit any violence at all ... governments don't give sentences n such ... what would a world like that be ... I dun think the masses are ready for that

** So people, the death penalty never worked, isn't working and won't work

no matter what is done to him, the response and the violence is gonna be the same. r8 from his arrest this has been happening

** The criminal dies with his convictions not having learnt anything at all.

oh yes. these IMHO deserve life imprisonment until death, coz most of em don't have a pint of remorse over what they did. but then, who the hell am I to say what punishment anybody deserves. for that matter no one does! gosh how would a world like that be :).

humans r blood thirsty animals keshi. for civilizations we'v been so. barbarically killing one another to gain leverage over land, kingdom and such. its just lingering in a different form - "justice" and "terrorism". humans strangely have an innate tendency to destroy themselves :). its gonna take a loooooong time for that to change ;).

u'v mostly mentiond your point of view so I have nothing to say against it :D

what we'r seeing is a catch 22 situation in a quest for power / leverage of being greater than one another ... I wonder if humans are only capable of accepting interim peace

Anonymous said...

Well, this is a heavy topic to discuss. The world will divide in two.

While I am not for public display of last moments of a person's life, I think this kind of punishment is ok if you look at what all he did to his own people without being fair to them.

Shionge said...

So no one truly 'forgive & forget' anymore huh?

I knew the buzz around the world about his impending hanging but chose to ignore as I know vengence never ends.

The Phosgene Kid said...

I was part of the violence I am afraid. I also believe you get what you have coming to you.

saffronsaris has a good point. They should have dusted Saddam off and put him back in charge of Iraq. They deserve each other.

Anonymous said...

the Budha says:
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

"We are shaped by our thoughts. We become what we think."



Lissen to the Budha
change your ways

SaffronSaris said...

Aaaahhhh, I was 1st! Long time I haven't seen my name top of the comments here.
At the risk of offending some, I must say that this time round, Saddam seems to have been short-changed. Kuwait, ok, because of the oil (hello! did anyone think there was any other altruistic reason? Even my teachers, pacing up and down the class and NOT delivering lessons, were more worried about gas prices spiraling than anything else!)but this time round? I keep getting the feeling Saddam so does NOT approve of Osama, so where's the connection?!
Unfinished business can be so unforgiving.
Iraq deserves to be treated better. It was one of the most civilised place on earth at the time when other parts of the world were shroulded in darkness and barbarianity.

Keshi said...

Saffy hello!

**They stood by as a puppet court "tried" him.

I thought so too.

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Anony I agree...sadly alot of ppl these days see non-violence as a joke! They dun realise how powerful a weapon non-violence can be.


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Ammu sorry to spoil ur Mon mood :(

I aint a fan of Saddam either but u dun have to be a fan of him/anyone to detest violence. Violence is violence no matter who the victim is.

Hugggggggz sweetie!

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WC Green and ty!

**Be the Change you wish to see in the world.

Spot on!

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Southy then why not change? Why d u wanna live with that?


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LOL Unplugged I saw that!

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Kumar ur one of the best for sure :)


**The only issue is he was against US or say US was against him. Call it simply Oil Politics. Politics is a dirty game and no one can clean it.

So true. How very sad.

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Samy I agree, this is just my point of view...but if everyone in this world lived the way they wanted to live, it'll be chaotic. We have to be able to see what's GOOD and BAD to achieve a civilised society. And I say Death Penalty is BAD.


** the justice system too commits violence in fear of loosing power

So ur justifying violence here? And ur also saying here that POWER overtakes true justice. That's exactly what Im saying and it's a huge mistake!

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Cuckoo heyyy!

**I think this kind of punishment is ok if you look at what all he did to his own people without being fair to them.

This is the immediate re-action of anuyone. But think harder...isnt that justifying violence? Does it bring us any peace? Does it take away the root cause of all of this?

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Shionge ppl dunno what compassion is anymore...and we r only worsening the situation by believing in death penalty.

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Phos heyy!

**They should have dusted Saddam off and put him back in charge of Iraq. They deserve each other.

I agree!

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Anony hello!

**We are shaped by our thoughts. We become what we think."

true! So very true.




Keshi.

Keshi said...

Saffy all this happened in the name of LAW...how sad ha!

And yes ur FIRST again :) A top girl at the TOP.


Keshi.

southpaw said...

I m changing, i m changing....didn't u see i rescued that babe from saby's dungen? :)

Cazzie!!! said...

Being a nurse and having conscious thoughts about love and life I cannot ever wish harm on another person..sorry, I don't care who they are.

Anonymous said...

And the worst part is that the media is hyping it! has the media gone completely crazy? showing it on TV for the whole world, including the kids, to watch? and look wat's happened now! kids think it is cool to imitate Saddam hanging!how depraved are we going to get?!!!

Anonymous said...

Violence begets violence.

Truly it is a lose/lose situation.

When will we ever learn?

Anonymous said...

the only hope for india and the world is the newest gen being born and conceived now

its upto the keshis of dis world to instill in their children good value systems, not necessarily based on one religion

all religions have a lotta good and lotta bad in dem too

we need to teach good values to our children, so dat they can discern for themselves the right and the rong

Keshi said...

hehe Southy u sure did save that babe from Death Penalty. Saby is the executioner btw LOL!

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Caz hey!

** I cannot ever wish harm on another person..sorry, I don't care who they are.

cos ur a truly enlightened person...thats why. HUGGGGGGGGGZ!

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Yash heyy!

** kids think it is cool to imitate Saddam hanging!how depraved are we going to get?!!!

Exactly my point! Hanging an old man like that..it was heinous!

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Awaiting heyy!

**Truly it is a lose/lose situation.

Spot on! Alot of ppl fail to see that and how sad is that!


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Hello Saby! :)

**we need to teach good values to our children, so dat they can discern for themselves the right and the rong

Definitely! Thats where most parents go wrong...they dun teach their kids good values...they just let em grow on their own.


Keshi.

Anonymous said...

it was the common folk in USA who saw wat was happening to their kids (and the vietnamese ppl) who took to the streets to end the Vietnam war

there are no victors in WAR today
only victims


i believe dat America will wake up once again

the US had no business to meddle in IRAQ

Anonymous said...

SOUTHY and all the cops all over the world are in favour of capital punishment and even encounter deaths (Ribeiro)


i dont blame dem
a smart lawyer like Jethamalni can get any criminal off the hook for a fee

starry nights said...

I am with you on this.I do not believe in the death penalty no matter how bad the crime is.I do not believe eye for an eye.Shame on everyone who was happy that this man was put to death.I love this quote of yours"
~~Through violence, you may 'solve' one problem, but you sow the seeds for another."It is so true.I believe that by killing another human being you become just like the killer.We do not have the right to take another persons life. It is similar to the Pro life people who go to the abortion clinics and kill the nurses and doctors.How does it make them different.In my eyes they are both killers.

southpaw said...

@Saby
Ribeiro was the first officer who kept pleading to the media and public not to glorify encounters by his staff my friend! I m talking abt his days in mumbai and secondly if u had to encounter those pleasant creatures u wudn't just stand quitely holding ur prick, u hv to shoot or else u'll end up in the coffin with a bullet in ur balls.

Anonymous said...

Keshi dear i agree with what you all said..Me against those kind of barbabric acts..

--Gangadhar
http://ganga.wordpress.com

southpaw said...

@Saby
As far as Jethmalani s concerned, he's completely lost it these days, last i heard him on media saying India shud leave and forget kashmir once and for all afterall the state is not providing a single penny to our country's economy, the old prick has nothing to do with the strategic geographical position of that state and its value for the country.

Anonymous said...

i am with starry nights
i believe abortion is murder too


and i say dis not bcoz i was a Roman catlik until recently

i am in favour of killing the sperm (condoms)
but not the fertilized egg (a new human being, though unborn yet)

Anonymous said...

SOUTHY
dats BS
(wat Ribeiro is giving to the press today)

when Ribeiro led his men
i believe he told his guys

we dont want arrests
kill the bastards

Anonymous said...

This was an outstanding and thoughtful post. You are absolutely right about this. Nothing has been made better by the hanging, only worse. The death penalty does not do any good at all.

Anonymous said...

the old fox (Ribeiro) usurped the powers of the judiciary


its time we let loose a Ribeiro (Terminator) on the economic offenders in our country, the scamsters who are bleeding the country dry

Anonymous said...

hi keshi,
this time you did take up a controversial topic, nd I've argued endlessly with soo many people by now, the execution of Saddam Hussein. I do not justify the dictator and his heinous crimes, but seriously what the Americans did was so far more unacceptable that they ended the whole world mourning for the dictator.
It was not just his death sentence that angered me ,but the torture he had to undergo during his last, he was hanged before he completed saying his last prayers.
The Americans playing a big brother to the world. It is sickening. I was wonderingif any of these SAVIORS OF THE WORLD would ever face a trial for the crimes they commited. They arent any more bad than Saddam's right??
I too am against this death sentence.
NOBODY HAS A RIGHT TO TAKE AWAY LIFE FROM A BODY IF THEY CANNOT BRING LIFE TO IT.

Great postt

:) :)
Preetha.

musings (m000nie) said...

i am against such killings.. i believe that if u cant give life to someone u have no right to take it.. full stop!

southpaw said...

@Saby
He just reminded the guys that the gun provided is not meant to be always inside the holster.

Anonymous said...

it was disgusting....I still cant say what I feel abt death penalty.....its too complicated in my mind....but you are right even those who do support it...must have been shocked by the way it was done and shown all over the world.

kj said...

i'm avoiding the discussion on the death penalty, though i am against it, but i think many many ordinary citizens of the world were shocked by the barbaric nature of saddam's hanging. it barbaric in a supposedly civilized world.

nice to see your views and beliefs so honestly spoken.

see you again!

Anonymous said...

Hi Keshi

It’s called justifiable homicide. When comes to taking a life, there is nothing justifiable. Saddam’s hanging is a complicated issue. Why were they in such a hurry to hang him? Why was it a court in the United States that upheld the death penalty? Why were there other cameras in the room? Was the use of camera phones intentional? In other words, what outside source wanted the pictures leaked to the media?

Most of the questions will never be answered. The simple reason being, we are not supposed to know.

hugs

Bev

J. Andrew Lockhart said...

The problem, I think, was making it public. That was wrong. Otherwise, justice is justice.

Anonymous said...

hehehe
nice one SOUTH

but u keep yours zipped
flies spread disease

Anonymous said...

Customer : Waiter, do you serve pigs?
Waiter : Please sit down sir, we serve everyone.
>
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Customer : Waiter, is this bheja fry or gonad fry?
Waiter : Can't you tell the difference by taste?

Customer : No, I can't.
Waiter : Then does it really matter?

Anonymous said...

preetha

shudnt the President of USA (then)
be tried for crimes against humanity? (war crimes)


dropping the Atomic Bomb on a civilian population at Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Keshi said...

Anony heyy!

**there are no victors in WAR today
only victims

true!

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Starry HUGGGGGZ!

**Shame on everyone who was happy that this man was put to death

Spot on! I saw some ppl partying when they heard the news of his death. What r they gonna achieve by doing that? How foolish can some ppl be!

I agree abt the abortion issue. they r all in the same bloody boat!

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tnxxx Gangzz!


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ty Jay!

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Preetha I agree with ya. It was disgusting how he was mocked b4 his death. How low can ppl get!


**NOBODY HAS A RIGHT TO TAKE AWAY LIFE FROM A BODY IF THEY CANNOT BRING LIFE TO IT.

Spot on! Thats so true.

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m000nie ur spot on, ty!


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Neihal ty!


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ty KJ and ur spot on!


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Bev heyy HUGGGGGGGGGGZ!

Justifiable homicide...organised crime...they r all the same.


**Most of the questions will never be answered. The simple reason being, we are not supposed to know.

so true! it's all secret politics in the name of justice.

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Andrew heyy!

**The problem, I think, was making it public. That was wrong. Otherwise, justice is justice.

Not only that...the whole act was a problem...they just had to get rid of him. It wasnt a proper trial at all.

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Anony :)


Keshi.

southpaw said...

@Saby
I love taking chances....

Kalpana said...

Wonderfully said. I too liked the last quote. But, when any person hurts brutally or kills any dear one you know, can we follow dharma? I doubt. Coz' we are normal humans. We need to become saints to follow it. That means we need to lead a life like that else it is not possible.

Anonymous said...

Iraq,America's (USA here) lab rat for testing weapons, armouries, training ground plus ther eis a little bit of crude oil around that place.
(Iraq has the largest Oil deposits in the world)
There would not be peace in Iraq ever.

Anyways there are some of the other thoughst on evil and violence.

"Violence is the last refuge of incompetent."

"The world is a deangerous not because of the evil but because of the people who do nothing about it."

Ciao.

Switch to the new Bloggers Keshi

Aidan said...

I beleive capital punishment abhorent.. It does not prevent murders it merely creates murderers.. There is some good in all people, even SAdam.

I am suprised that the hanging was not televised live in all honesty, we have become blood thirsty through apathy.

Where did they show it?.. i have been removed from TV for some time.

Anonymous said...

I guess I'm a bad person, but some people are too evil to live. I think that the hecklers should have been removed. But after seeing footage of the poison gas attacks on the Kurds, there is no way I couldn't justify capital punishment on this evil man.

Anonymous said...

Very well written Keshi.
I am similar thoughts...What was the need to showcase Saddam's execution to the whole world..& everyone knows about the taunts as the rope was being tied around his neck....I have seen the video...& now regret as to why I saw it..It was really really very distrubing..that too on the day of Eid...what was all the hurry about.....Its all about Gas :((

The Grunt said...

Violence begets violence, just as hate begets hate. Great post, Keshi

Anonymous said...

well said keshi. By killing a perpetrator, we dont stop the violence, but we are seeding one more trouble!
dunno where this chain will stop

Anonymous said...

good people you can always sense them :) but there are not many good people...ahhh such as humanity

ppl have their good and bad side.
so, saddam is dead...i think it's more
about satisfaction rather than justice is served. but who was the one who trusted saddam at the first place?

Eclipsed Thoughts said...

***What do you think a good person is like?

KAP... everyone does/try to do whatever he/she thinks is the best at that particular moment for that particular situation... that "best" might not be good enough for others...

Terrorists think that they are bringing social revolution in some country/state/village and so they take up the track of violence... for them it is the best thing....

Actually there is nothing that would be considered good/bad... evil or saintly... we all move with out instincts...

But here you are right, killing someone and rejoicing at someone's death is certainly not good... but then how would u define good again/

Certainly when saddam was hung, some people might have rejoiced, because for them it was the best thing that would happen... and certainly when their conscience is not at guilt, there is nothing called blood in their hands... its no sin as long as you dont think it is a sin!

Vengeance would always move in circles... there is no corner and each time a loop ends, another loop begins right there with an unending point, but usually when emotions and feelings and terror, dread, pain and vengeance take over ones mind, one cannot think rationally or act with sense...

Things continue...

Well, stay happy and enjoy!(though its monday)... haha good day KAP

Nora said...

Great (albeit controversial) post Keshi. You raised some interesting points. Unfortuantely, I don't have the answer to your question. I think there's far more to this than we'll ever know...

PrAcHi said...

Keshi.. you stole my post :D.. But I am happy you did.. because I would not have been able to express the things as good as you have done here!

I agree one each and every word written in your post. I don’t think anyone has got any right to take anyone’s life! We kill them for killing others.. This is an irony! Saddam might have done a lot of wrong things, might have killed lot of people, but what Bush has done with Iraqis? Same thing, right? If we also behave in the same manner like them then what is the difference between us and them? I never believe in treating anyone like Tit for tat! I am totally against the capital punishment! Is death penalty is any kind of punishment??? Life is a god gift. And only he has the right to take it away, and no one else!

desperado said...

though i respect your views but i disagree. in some cases even death penalty is not enough. A rapist or a peadophile deserves nothing but death....and i really dont care how grusesome it is.

as for the case of saddam...i wont say what was done was right...esp the timing wid Id around..but surely he wasnt innocent and nor is Bush for tht matter

Łóòň Ġãĺ said...

I've always been against death sentences ... be it Saddam or any other XYZ .... its not coz its brutal in nature ... but because of the fact that after being a trouble to so many people ... the person shouldnt just be given freedom from his life ... he should be made to suffer ... suffer to an extent that he himself wants to die but he can not!!

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fergal said...

hi keshi, and happy 2550! ;-D

i was gonna find a suitable quote from a buddhist book which i have ... but can't find the book right now so instead i'll just post a simple quote which may or may not mean anything to u.

it's from the "monkey magic" tv series which was a japanese show for kids which traced the journey of some buddhist pilgrims trekking from china to the himalayas to find some holy scriptures. the 'monkey' character was always into fighting, but the buddhist monk, tripitaka, would always proclaim "monkey: no violence!" ;-D

~

Anonymous said...

** but if everyone in this world lived the way they wanted to live, it'll be chaotic.

excatly! the justice system is the closest we have to this common ethics which has evolved over the ages. given to how different people think, I believe what it has striked some balance, to satisfy the majority. and this has come up over 100's of years of civilizations. but its highly improbably that everyone would agree to a single justice system :), dont you think? justice system will never be considered perfect by all. it can only reach closer ;). rather we can only make people believe it is close to perfect

** And I say Death Penalty is BAD.

Yes It Is dear! But I guess the justice system didn't find a better alternative. Consider keeping saddam alive in prison / rehab or whatever. As long as he is alive terrorists will attack, take hostage and do more crime in the name of saddam. Let him free, and we risk more aggitation in his name. I guess the system believes that the his hanging will result in
"lesser" damage (not none) to what is of value to it (that does not necessarily include lives of people in iraq).

Bottomline, the justice system needs to keeps it upper hand. If not things will get chaotic. Its always been so since the days of kingdoms keshi. Don't you think. Its just in a different form today. A more palatable package for the people of the modern age if I can say. Justice system is responsible for all the lives it protects. If it doesn't then factions will begin violence in the name of self-defence and survival. And the system will no longer exist.

Here in some indian villages in India, rouge animals caused havoc. Recently a tiger and an elephant. They have been rampantly killing people, destroying their homes and leaving the peoples very lives at stake. After quite some trouble they decided to hunt down these animals.

Speaking non-violence here, the animals could have very well been tranquilized and put in a place where it could do nothing. But people decided it was not worth the trouble. Who are people to decide to kill those animals?

Thats why the justics system gets rids of some elements it considers unworthy of when kept alive. Of course calling it "a necessary loss for the betterment of the mass". Its not about what truly is in the best interest of the masses. Its about what the masses believe is in their best interest ;). I'm sure you understand the difference. I don't think they enjoy the deaths either. The justice system is doing what it considers right towards the well-being of those of interest. Or atleast put it that way :D.

Consider the terrorist who got a death sentence for conspiring to attack the indian parliament. Intelligence have quoted that terror attacks/kidnapping of high profile people are being targetted to have him released. Is keeping him alive worth all this trouble? Imagine how many people have to live in fear just because of this one man.

As an analogy take a problem at office keshi. You may feel that something is wrong ethics at business and things should have been otherwise. But thats how the industry works. If you just went to your manager and said "don't do it, it ain't correct" obviously its gonna go unheard of. But suggest him an alternative and he might consider it.

If we could propose an alternative to the justice system in place of capital punishment I believe they would, at least consider for a 1st step. Unfortunately it will have to be something that a lot of people agree to as a good replacement.

** So ur justifying violence here? And ur also saying here that POWER overtakes true justice.

there is no true justice keshi! only a system that dictates as to what is justice and what is not, to which people abide by. that is why people with power get away with their crimes, while some innocent get convicted.

we are again getting at talking in absolutes here. What is true justice?

btw I do not blame the system coz its going what it considers best. neither am I denying your views. if you do find an alternative voice it in the appropriate channel, and am sure things will move ;)

for now I believe things are working at their best (too many cooks spoil the broth) ... coz I don't seem to come up with a better solution than what is :)

Anonymous said...

I did not see the footage, and would rather not. Watching people die is not something I want to see, if I can help it.
It's revenge alright and it does not solve anything as you so rightly pointed out.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you Keshi!Why hurt people unneccesarily!
Be nice to others unless they are trying to kill ya!(read South Paw!)Then you give them hell and get out!Simply hurting others bcos you want to is cruel!

Neers said...

i hated it!!

Helen said...

In a culture, in a time, when death was prevalent at any turn, and people saw each other as members of the same species, of the same tribe, to put someone to death was reserved for the most heinous of acts (think infanticide or regicide). Simply alienating the individual from the interconnectedness of a social environment--marooning the individual if you will--from life could be the ultimate punishment. While I detest current penal systems (with non-violent offenders surviving amongst the violent), there is a precedent, a reason for a civilized society to alienate their offenders from interaction.

I hesitate to say there is never an excuse for capital punishment, however. Although we think we are so incredibly modern, human memories are long and old, and rooted in bands and societies that could not physically, mentally, or emotionally tolerate living with murderers and rapists.

We see tolerance promoted at every turn, and it is ingrained in us (peace-loving Westerners) not to challenge other views, because that is the individual's point of view, and to convince others of their "wrongness" forces us to exist in a state of moral superiority. A state of existence that is impossible.

I think we live in a time where the truth has degenerated to simple subjectivity, and until our species can unanimously agree on truth we will always see violence.

The Iraqis who were elated with the death of their dictator were convinced of the truth they believed. The parents of murdered children feel vindicated at the death of the murderer, for them justice is truth. It is only those who have reached a higher plane of thought, of emotion, yea of nirvana that have the capability of true forgiveness, mercy, and love.

Do you remember being a child and not being able to grasp algebra? Or looking at a foreign language and not understanding it? When new concepts are introduced to people, they have to be taught and ingrained, and when they are grasped, we have to teach them. Nothing is accomplished when the teacher who understands deigns to teach the ignorant, unwashed masses that do not understand. Can you imagine a teacher's lounge, where the teachers simply sit around and talk deploringly of their students, yet don't step foot in the classroom?

We have been given many prophets, individuals who have tried to teach the language of peace. Some teachings have been twisted through the centuries, yet the truth remains.

To mull righteously over the details of atrocities, details which are disseminated to us 2nd, 3rd, 4th hand and more (once again, what is the truth) and then become violent because someone cuts us off, or hold onto a grievance or grudge, because saying "let's talk" is more difficult, places us in a position far, far more precarious than that of prosecutors & hangmen.

We all intrinsically know the way to high truth...it is taking that risk, baring our souls and keeping our hearts and minds uncalloused when we're struck down again and again that keeps so many from seeking the attributes of peace, love, forgiveness, and mercy.

Sorry for the forever long comment, you always make me think...and I'll leave with this:

"When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves."
--Viktor E. Frankl, psychologist, author, and Nazi holocaust survivor.

Jeevan said...

Keshi really you r a very sweet and loved person!! I totally agree with u dear, i can't even imagine the throb of a person when they hang; it’s a strategic on humans.

There was a good Quito that silent is the answer for anger. So we should be silent and think what we are going to do is right or wrong.

Anonymous said...

Yup, agree fully with you... violence in any form does not solve the problem but starts up a different one.

niki yokota said...

well~said~keshichan!!
thnat~was~really~disgusting~and~sad...:(

Kavi said...

It was an affront to human dignity. Nobody has the right to do what these folks have done, no matter what.

An eye for an eye will get us all blind

Bibi said...

I was appalled that we would show footage of ANYONE being put to death.

Have we reverted back to medieval times when the town would gather at the King's court to watch people hanging? Appears we've not evolved as humans at all ... we've simply replaced the local court gathering with TV and newspaper blasting.

Dawn....सेहर said...

Good to see a similar post in your blog dear :)
I knew you will not support what happened...but its sad to see some people still support and celebrate death of Saddam.

I pity such people.
Thanks for your post as you know I also did post on this...and the other day I read in News, kids performing the same suicidal act and dying...some even felt that he was a patriot for his country and he was hanged...its really sad when we advance at one place so high and thinking wise people dont even move a step.

Hope there will be a better dawn
Take care sis...lots of hugggggz
Cheers

Anonymous said...

the powerful has always tried to stomp the week!

this game is going since ever...

but then yes ...i defly do agree it was brutal!

Tom Bailey said...

"I believe good people don't wish death upon someone else."

Death sometimes seems like an easy way out for some people. Let them live in suffering maybe?

I see being good as being very subjective. I was studying about Job also in the old testament and it is interesting how the people around him judged him. I do not see it all being biblical.

Killing is often for different reasons: It is a challenging argument for either side.

Some killing is economical.

Some is justice for victims.

Some is used as a way to prevent future violence as a deterent.

Some is biblical based.

I like the idea of retribution without death when it is possible. If the victims can be compensated to be satisified that lets them live and gives something to the victims.

Anonymous said...

hey keshi
how r u ? howz life ??

long time haan ..

Hey .. Happy New Year to u too ..
may this yr be full of loads of hapiness .. :)

nd ya all tht voilence is total shit .. :(

tc .
anuj .

Shitrint said...

i hav always been in two minds whther the guilty shud be hanged or whther he shud be sent for reform...
i do not know...the ones who hav suffered might be better able to tell as to wat they wud like the punishment to be for the guilty!

Anonymous said...

hey keshi. Its a terrible thing. I had a post for him the night he was hanged. The world just went a step lower. Tyrant makes the laws. Im not wishing for god to bless him, im wishing for god to show the truth that made him and guided him to such lengths againts his people.

Sujit said...

the problem of not being human is the greed to get more resources!.. if that is resolved.. then humanity comes by itself!

getzapped said...

I honor you for making this a point in your blog. I did not see the footage (I don't watch TV), however, I read about it and wondered the same thing? What in the h*ll did this accomplish. How perverted to televise such an act. I agree that violence begets violence. Yes, he was an evil man, but as it was pointed out in another comment, this was a political act as well as an act of hatred.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

An eye for an eye is not taken literally....it is metaphoric and it means that compensation has to be paid.

You all seem very sensitive about punishing a man who was evil personified and had no qualms about brutally killing thousands of his own people.

I have no sympathy for such a tyrant and hanging was too good for him.

If evil is seen to go unpunished then there will be anarchy in the world.

Anonymous said...

Other than making this thing public I dont see why it was bad/unfair.. capital punishments is a whole different topic altogether and we have discussed it on this blog quite a while back.. they r supposed to be done this way isnt it? y show sympathy to someone who ruthlessly killed 100s of people? We can argue all along but we arent the one making the decisions.. there r too many things in the world to worry about..

Anonymous said...

I haven't seen it nor will I - to take pleasure in somebody else's death is not what I would consider to be satisfying in any way, no matter how much of an evil person he was. I don't think that by killing Saddam they have achieved anything - it was purely for revenge, the 'eye for an eye' sentence brought down by a sham of a court and ruling.

Good people are good in different ways - as long as we all know that we have the potential to do good things and for the better, then everyone is good. Others rise above this definition and are known as GREAT.

Keshi said...

Kalpana heyy!

**But, when any person hurts brutally or kills any dear one you know, can we follow dharma?

why not? If we keep saying we cant, then we cant. Why not try the COMPASSIONATE and the RIGHTEOUS way instead of the VENGEANCE and VIOLENT way? That way has never been tried. It's time we try out that route. For if we dun go down that route, will we ever know what it has? Just a thought :)

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Tarun I agree, ty!

**"Violence is the last refuge of incompetent."

True. It is the easy way out for alot of ppl so they choose that path.

U mean Beta? :) Well let me see then. tnxxx Tarun!

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Heyya Aidan!

**It does not prevent murders it merely creates murderers.. There is some good in all people, even SAdam.

I agree! Did u read what Saddam's prison guard said abt him? He said that Saddam was a good man too...that he was a model prisoner...that he told him stories abt his daughters and when he was a farmer long time ago. That he fed birds in the prison courtyard. He had a good side too...like all of us do. Im not trying to sympathise with a murderer here...what Im trying to say is that ppl often forget to see the good side of a person. It's always finger-pointing.

Apathy it is!

They showed the footage on TV, upto when the noose went ard his neck. I didnt wanna see it but I happened to swicth the TV on and just saw it just like that! At first I was thinking mebbe it was a joke but it was the real execution! And then I heard some idiot videoed the whole thing after that and put it across the net!! Now he's under arrest. These r the kind of ppl who havent met their embryoinic needs.

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Meister heyy!

**But after seeing footage of the poison gas attacks on the Kurds, there is no way I couldn't justify capital punishment on this evil man.

So then why r we implementing the same kind of pain on someone else, be it a bad person or not? If u say he's evil and he deserves it, then we r not the ones to decide that. Nature/God/Karma will decide that cos we r all the same Meister. No one is above another. We r all the same.




Keshi.

saby said...

i repeat
,
shudnt the President of USA (then)
be tried for crimes against humanity? (war crimes)


dropping the Atomic Bomb on a civilian population at Hiroshima and Nagasaki
,

Keshi said...

Ektaran I always knew what a disturbing event an execution was. Cos I have read and seen pics of past executions and it's unbelievably cruel. If it's a detterent of any sort, well it hasnt proved anything so far. Ppl continue to kill, rape etc and we continue to kill in return. It's a cycle. Cos death penalty is only a revenge act. If we can justify that sort of violence, then the criminals can justify their acts too! Where r their rights then?


**..that too on the day of Eid...what was all the hurry about.....Its all about Gas

Disgusting! Saddam was a Muslim and if ppl had any respect for JUSTICE, they wudnt have chosen such a day to hang a Muslim!

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Spot on Grunt!


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Nirek it's a never-ending cycle...it's sad to see alot of ppl believing that death penalty brings solutions.

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Dalicia heyy!

**i think it's more
about satisfaction rather than justice is served.

true. It's more abt tit for tat.

Saddam couldnt be trusted alright...but who can be trusted today? Is Bush trustworthy?

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KAP hey hugggggggggz!

I agree...whats good for me may not be good for someone else. But as humans do we have to degrade to these levels? I mean to take an old man into the gallows and hang him like in the olden days?? How far have we come from those days?


**and certainly when their conscience is not at guilt, there is nothing called blood in their hands... its no sin as long as you dont think it is a sin!

how do they know their conscience is not guilty? Just cos they 'think' it's not a sin, it isnt gonna be a good act is it?

I agree with what u said abt violence/vengeance. It's a never-ending cycle with no results.


**but usually when emotions and feelings and terror, dread, pain and vengeance take over ones mind, one cannot think rationally or act with sense...

True...I agree. When im really angry my thoughts r so different. But when I calm down I see the clear picture. Cant ppl learn to calm down instead of murdering each other in these hideous ways! I think it's a far cry :(

Anyways tnxx KAP and u have a great week ahead sweetie!

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Very true Nora!


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Prachi ty sweetie HUGGGGGGGZ!

Death Penalty isnt a proper punishment...it's a revenge act.

** Life is a god gift. And only he has the right to take it away, and no one else!

Spot on!

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Desperado hey hows u? :)

**. in some cases even death penalty is not enough.

Spot on! Why isnt death penalty enough? Cos it doesnt solve anything! It doesn't make the criminal learn/repent. SO ur right...death penalty is not ENOUGH justice to anyone!


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Cheesy mwahhhhhhh! I missed ya. How was ur NYE? Do u have a blog these days?

** the person shouldnt just be given freedom from his life ... he should be made to suffer ... suffer to an extent that he himself wants to die but he can not!!

Exactly!

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ok, no worries Deepz!


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WB Fergal! I missed ya. Hope u had a good beach break :)


**'monkey' character was always into fighting, but the buddhist monk, tripitaka, would always proclaim "monkey: no violence

Nice story. It shows that only moneky characters glorify violence :):)

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Samy heyyy! :)


**excatly! the justice system is the closest we have to this common ethics which has evolved over the ages. given to how different people think, I believe what it has striked some balance, to satisfy the majority.

hehe thats not what I meant Samy. When I said that we need to see what's a good way to handle such acts, what I meant was that we shouldnt let death be the answer. Just cos it was the way things were handled from ages ago, we dun have to keep following it.


** I guess the system believes that the his hanging will result in "lesser" damage (not none) to what is of value to it (that does not necessarily include lives of people in iraq).

So was there LESS or MORE damage after Saddam's death? There was actually MORE deaths and MORE violence soon after his hanging!!!! What does that mean Samy? :)


**Thats why the justics system gets rids of some elements it considers unworthy of when kept alive.

So does that mean society will never have new murderes/rapists? If u say that atleast it gets rid if the current ones, then it certainly is a REVENGE act. Nothing else. Do u agree?


**Is keeping him alive worth all this trouble? Imagine how many people have to live in fear just because of this one man.

I agree..keeping him alive is an expense and alot of trouble for us. But is killing him a 'good' thing to do? Thats my point.


** But suggest him an alternative and he might consider it.

true...and that is Life in Jail. So that the criminal can truly repent and the victims can get true justice instead of a bogus justice.



Keshi.

saby said...

by the public execution of SADDAM, the idiot BUSH made SADDAM a martyr


his execution reminded me of BRAVEHEART the movie

SADDAM too was a brave heart, he was defiant to the end

SADDAM was more
he died touching the Koran
and reciting the name of GOD

we Christians and Muslims believe GOD is merciful

SADDAM has redeemed himself

Top cat said...

Good post keshi.
Yes this bothered me,I purposedly avoided any pictures of the event because it sickened me.

This did however take place in the Mideast and from everything I've read this is part of their culture.
I do feel however ours(the US)hands have blood on them over this.
tc

Keshi said...

ty Sanjay I agree!

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Asha I agree, ty sweetie!


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Neers I was sick to my stomach realising how cruel ppl can be!


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Helen I totally love what u had to say! Ur comment was very enlightening and it clearly stated the whole situation quite beautifully. U r so full f wisdom. TY!

**...it is taking that risk, baring our souls and keeping our hearts and minds uncalloused when we're struck down again and again that keeps so many from seeking the attributes of peace, love, forgiveness, and mercy.

Loved that! That's exactly what compassion and love is all abt.

Dun worry abt the length of the comment :) Write all u want cos I love to read ppl's thoughts. Ur spot on here and tnxxxxx!

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Jeevan ty :)

** we should be silent and think what we are going to do is right or wrong.

so true...silence makes u THINK. Cos it's when u dun THINK that u resort to violence.

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KK thats right...thats why so many other ppl died soon after Saddam's death! Violence leads to more violence.

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ty Niki HUGGGGGGGGZ!


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Well-said Kavi, ty!


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Bibi ty!

**Have we reverted back to medieval times when the town would gather at the King's court to watch people hanging?

I agree! My mum said the same and I realised that we havent mentally evolved one single bit from those olden days when such disgusting things happened!

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Dawn huggggggggggz!


**its really sad when we advance at one place so high and thinking wise people dont even move a step.

so true! What have we learnt from all these years? Nothing.

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Forest heyy!

**the powerful has always tried to stomp the week!

Yep...it was abt POWER and VENGEANCE. Apparently Bush was asleep when Saddam went to the gallows! How ironic!

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I totally agree with ya Tom!

**I like the idea of retribution without death when it is possible. If the victims can be compensated to be satisified that lets them live and gives something to the victims.

Thats what I believe trus Justice is.

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ty Anuj :) Hope all is well with ya too.

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Shitrint heyy!

**the ones who hav suffered might be better able to tell as to wat they wud like the punishment to be for the guilty!

Well I know that it's only the victims who feel the real pain of it all. But then again it's natural to feel violent and vengeful when u've been hurt. That means the head is fogged with hatred then. And to ask them to come up with a proper punishment is not the wisest thing to do. :)

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I must read ur post Ghosty. tnxx!


**The world just went a step lower.

Spot on! The world has only become poorer by this kind of acts.

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Sujit I agree!

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G'day Getzapped and WC!

**What in the h*ll did this accomplish. How perverted to televise such an act.

Exactly my point! What did this achieve?


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ok Rose I'll check it out :) ty!


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Anonymous heyy!

**You all seem very sensitive about punishing a man who was evil personified and had no qualms about brutally killing thousands of his own people.

nope...Im not only sensitive for Saddam. I always detested Death Penalty. This is not abt the person....this is abt the act.


**I have no sympathy for such a tyrant and hanging was too good for him.

ok to an extent I agree...no one feels sorry for a murderer. But r we any better than Saddam now? We all got together and hanged him. Who's gonna hang us?


**If evil is seen to go unpunished then there will be anarchy in the world.

Is this world any better than that today? Look at how far terrorism has gone now? Look how much damage war has done to this world and it's still going on! We r only getting poorer by the day....poor in our mentality. Why is it? Cos violence is being promoted everywhere. Even in the Justice system!

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Viv heyy!

This post is not abt Saddam...it's abt the ACT. The gruesome act of hanging ppl in this new age!
Besides what did it achieve Viv?

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Silvara Huggggggggz!

** I don't think that by killing Saddam they have achieved anything - it was purely for revenge,

Definitely! It was an empty act that served nothing.



Keshi.

Keshi said...

Saby I agree. Saddam got the easy way out...the idiots who hanged him continue to suffer in their own trauma.

God loves all equally. Thats the difference between us and Him.


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Top_Cat ty!

We all have blood in our hands cos we allowed something like this to happen.



Keshi.

Anonymous said...

FUCKITALL
the americans (the moral right) will repent for voting dat idiot BUSH to power (prompted by Billy Graham)


GOD SAVE AMERICA now

AnonymousBlogger said...

I've always been against the death penalty. This "eye for an eye" train of thought really doesn't solve anything.

It was vengence. I also think it happened so Bush could say to the world, "hey, we killed him". Which is probably what they should have done in the first place, with a well placed bomb. It just would have saved a lot of time and energy.

saby said...

,William Franklin Graham Jr., known to all the world as Billy, is now 80 years old, and has been our leading religious revivalist for almost exactly 50 years, ever since his eight-week triumph in Los Angeles in the autumn of 1949. Indeed, for at least 40 years, Graham has been the Pope of Protestant America (if Protestant is still the right word). Graham's finest moment may have been when he appeared at President Bush's side, Bible in hand, as we commenced our war against Iraq in 1991. ,

http://www.time.com/time/time100/heroes/profile/graham01.html

saby said...

,is there any diff btw Billy Graham's CRUSADE and the muslim's JEHAD ? ,

saby said...

IMAGINE
if there were no religion !

-John Lennon

Anonymous said...

AMEN

Twisted DNA said...

I do not support death sentence, but for different reasons than humanitarian. My worry is, our justice system is ridden with loop holes. In case of death sentence, once it's executed, there is no way to revert it, if we found out later that the verdict was flawed. What would've happened if Andy Dufrain (Shawshank Redemption) was sentenced to death instead of life-term!

In case of Saddam, it was more of a political game than real justice. Human Rights Groups have been crying of a mistrial but nobody paid any heed.

Anonymous said...

Hi Keshi!
Bible says:
Romans 12:19- 21
19.Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"says the Lord. 20.On the contrary:
"If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." 21.Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Thanks for this post. God bless you!

Anonymous said...

keshi.. u mean to say that punishments shd be ruled out of society? wht r u proposing? leave him free? i dont get u

niki yokota said...

good day keshi-chan!
the man at work sounds great.
thank u sooo much for ur encouraging comments!!
i came from office comp :D
hugzzzzz

Keshi said...

Anony we all know Bush is the white version of Saddam.

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Hello AB :)

**It just would have saved a lot of time and energy.

Spot on! Why did they waste 3 whole years?

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Saby we all know Bush reads the Bible but don't u'stand anything.

Being a President dun mean having brains.

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DNA WC I missed ya tonz! HUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGZ! :)


**. In case of death sentence, once it's executed, there is no way to revert it, if we found out later that the verdict was flawed.

I totally agree! What a big mistake it would be then.

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Krys ty for that...twas very enlightening!

**.Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Spot on! Alot of ppl fail to see this.

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Viv hi again :)

** mean to say that punishments shd be ruled out of society? wht r u proposing? leave him free? i dont get u


Nope I dun mean setting him free or taking away the punishments. Death Penalty is not a punishment Viv. Is it? Punishments r supposed to reform a person. Does death reform us?

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Niki heyy Im glad u like the song. One of my favs :)



Keshi.

Anonymous said...

in your blog, keshi. sorry for got to add that. and u can tage a few people however many you like :))

Anonymous said...

thanks!

Jewel Rays said...

I guess killing/hanging him will just raise another leader to take after him.

Probably to saddam he would not conclude his death as cruelty but justification to what he believe in?

maybe..

Some would be happy with his death surely but some would just follow after him.

Cheers!

Anonymous said...

hey sweetheart!!!

i too saw it.. was really depressing..
its better to leave it at it.. than dragging n soiling one's mood ... not worthwhile!!!

HUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGZ

Anonymous said...

You are right.

In fact it was just a 'legalised murder'.

Anonymous said...

i am with UTTARA
lets move on


lets see u do HNT on Thursday
on second tot
why wait till THURSDAY

make it TUESDAY

Keshi said...

Rose I got ya! Will do soon. And yeah girls alrite! ;-)

Next post ok :)

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I agree Amy HUGGGGGGGGGGZ!

It's justice to some...but I can never justify violence.

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yep Uttsy HUGGGGGGGGGGZ!


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Alex 'legalised murder' it is!


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Saby it will be on Thursday...stay tuned ;-)




Keshi.

Anonymous said...

I think for hardened criminal there is no reforming. its a waste of resources.. they dont need to live.. he didnt kill 1 person or 2 by mistake.. he killed 1000s.. one less in world isnt a big deal..

Anonymous said...

these things leave me speechless.

saby said...

i must give credit to TT
he saw it all right from the very beginning


he told me about the powerful moral right in US

he also told me about a bishop in US blessing (giving them absolution prior to the event)the crew dat manned the planes to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki





he also warned us on the bird flu epidemic, long before it happened

,
is TT a prophet?
,

Keshi said...

hey Viv!

** think for hardened criminal there is no reforming. its a waste of resources.. they dont need to live..

who r we to decide on that Viv?

o well lets just agree to disgaree :)

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Soj I know!


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Saby where's TT btw?




Keshi.

Anonymous said...

hi,

I agree with evry word written by u completely. I beleive it's the human nature coz of which many of us luv to watch violent movies. Many hv come out of the attitude but still there are more of people who strongly believe in violence and terrorism.

Keshi said...

Princess I agree..alot of ppl BELIEVE in violence and terrorism while condeming then at the same time... doesnt make sense!

Keshi.

Anonymous said...

Kesh, I didn't see it, but I can tell you I am against the death penalty. I can understand people wanting justice and believing this would be the type of closure necessary to gain it.

What this made me think of was once being asked the question, if I could go back in time, knowing what we know now (this was in regards to Hitler) and it was within my means to end his life before he ended that of so many people, would I do it?
It's thought-provoking to put it mildly.

Kalpana said...

Good thought!

Keshi said...

Autumn thats a very interesting way to see this.

**would I do it?

I wouldnt. :)

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ty Kalpana!




Keshi.

Anonymous said...

Injustice is found on every level in today's world. Injustice among various races, injustice in school, politics, work etc.

We had no business in Iraq .. what Saddam does to his people .. the people should take care themselves. There are much worst leaders in Africa killing people left and right and no one does anything to them .. why beacause they don't have abundant oil resources.

Why was he executed ... ? Crimes against Humanity .. that reason was soo pathetic. And people are too dumb and ignorant to understand. In Africa, they cut hands of people so they can't go and vote.

Well .. let God decide now what to do with Saddam .. oh death is just the beginning.

Keshi said...

hey Nabeel ty!

**And people are too dumb and ignorant to understand.

Spot on. Thats what it is.

Death of one person doesnt solve anything!


Keshi.

Bhavesh said...

Real substance keshi!! Nice post. Do you think nonvegetarianism has something to do with overwhelming violence that we see?

Keshi said...

Heyy Bhavesh tnxx!

**Do you think nonvegetarianism has something to do with overwhelming violence that we see?

I really dun think so. Cos most of the Hindu extremists r vegetarians. What do we say abt that? And I know ppl who eat meat who r truly compassionate. And there vegetarians I know who r truly in support of the capital punishment. So yeah, I dun think this has anything to do with what we eat. Man is made to eat meat...it's clear when u look at our dental structure. Vegetarianism is a choice.

Thats what I think but I maybe wrong :)


Keshi.

Anonymous said...

the easiest think in life is to judge what others do wrong and make yourself feeling better. im against death penalty in general but i wouldnt dare to defend the pure evil while in the same time young girl in teheran is sentenced to death for adultery and many others accused not for genocide are executed like in china and japan. and isn't it hypocrisy if he would have been kild like his sons by soldiers than all would be fine?

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Anonymous said...

and one day someone in mumbai or delhi opens the bar under his name ... its a beautiful world

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Anonymous said...

ur responsible for what u do in life but pity most of us need low not to go wrong and he felt totally untouchable

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Anonymous said...

Keshi: If everybody think they are good, we all ahve our negative sides too and it pops out when situation arises.

We act good whenw e have to and remain bad when we ahve to. Its human tendency and I have to say we human beings are dual at all times.

Keshi said...

Anony all Im saying is Violence does not resolve Violence. And I know no one can argue against that.

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Ur right Priya. I agree.

tnxxxxx!



Keshi.

mommyof2 said...

After what he did you others in all those years, I think it was waaayyy tooo easy death for him. He was playing God all his life & it wasn't fair to all those people who lost their family members bacause of him..

Keshi said...

tnxxxx Mommy!

Keshi.

Bhavesh said...

May be slight off-track here and sorry to have made this thread alive again..

Apropos, "Man is made to eat meat...it's clear when u look at our dental structure. Vegetarianism is a choice."

i would request you to patiently go through this web page..

http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html

and if you do not have much patience do go through this table atleast.

http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html#table

And rest assured, I am not trying to paint the world with my color here. the point i am making is simply this... nonvegetarinisam is a choice not vegetarianism, which comes natural to human being.

Cheers,
Bhavesh

Keshi said...

tnxx Bhavesh!

** nonvegetarinisam is a choice not vegetarianism, which comes natural to human being.

how d u suggest vegetarianism comes 'naturally' to humans? :) wut scientific proof have u got?

Keshi.

Bhavesh said...

come on keshi!!... go through the link.

http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html#table

I know you can come up with some counter argument and you are good at it!! neways, after having spent sizeable amount of time researching on the subject, science today has almost unanimously agreed that humans are made to be vegetarins (vegan to be more precise). You deserve a right to disagree though :)

Cheers,
Bhavesh