Guys today I lost it badly with a very close friend. She used to be a real good friend of mine...actually my very best friend until recently. We used to go places together, meet up almost every 2 days, dine and wine, hunk-watch, dance, party, shop, share our most hidden secrets, do crazy things together, help each other move houses, drive to far away places etc etc. Even our families are very close and visit each other often. I have known her all my life in Aus. And then came a massive hurricane of 'Watchtower' influence on her! She brokeup with her then BF, she went into depression and then she converted her faith into Jehovah's Witnesses. Then she changed drastically - yes DRASTICALLY. She's no longer the fun girl I used to know. Now she spends all her weekends in the 'Kingdom' Hall of JWs...goes door to door preaching the Bible, doesn't dress up like she used to, don't call/meet me often, don't celebrate bdays or accept gifts (WTF I still want my bday gift!), don't do crazy things with me like she used to, dont do this and dont do that! Now she calls me like once a month and that too is bloody rare - as rare as coming across a sane Tom Cruise. I thought she must be going through some crappy phase and I let her take her own time to bounce back to her normal sane self. But few years passed and she never came back to her happy and lively old self that I used to know. yes I gave her years to experiment with her new life without it affecting our friendship at all. I still cared for her cos I don't expect anything from friends except a good heart. But lately it was taking the toll on me too. I got disappointed too many times having called her up to meet me, have dinner, go out, stay over at my place etc etc. She refused to take part each time I invited her. She always had some excuse and I got tired of listening to that. The message I got from all her refusing was 'Keshi I'm a JW now and I don't associate worldly people'. Hell I'm worldly but I'm not dead yet. And yes I had enough of that shit. So today (after all these years) throwing one last ditch attempt to save this friendship and being refused again, I told her that I'm not willing to sit here anymore and wait for her to return, cos I feel she's different now and it seems that she doesn't want my friendship at all. It isnt fair on me and I don't deserve that kind of treatment. I'm pretty honest with my friends and I just had to tell her that or else I'd be lying all my life. She handled it pretty well, she didn't fight back - even that was weird cos she used to fight with me like normal friends do. Now she is acting like some eternally-forgiving, ever-loving, never-cursing Mother Superior living in a distant nunnery surrounded by pink roses and chirpy red robins! No offense to nuns but trust me she's not nun-material.
I don't get it. I mean what do these groups such as JWs do to normal people? Do they convert them into some Bible-preaching robots that miss out on real life and real friends on this Earth, in return of a so-called eternal life that no one can see? What's the point. To me friendship is faith-blind. That's why I stuck with her for so many years even 
after she distanced from me. But there comes a time when I feel I don't deserve to be pushed around like that and I think today is that day. I know I have no right to question someone else's faith but it really is irritating when someone's faith makes that person a text-book preaching, anthropophobic, plastic robot who becomes blind to all the real things in life. I miss her in my life but if her life is happier (or holier) without (this sinful) me, I'm happy for her and it better end neatly.
after she distanced from me. But there comes a time when I feel I don't deserve to be pushed around like that and I think today is that day. I know I have no right to question someone else's faith but it really is irritating when someone's faith makes that person a text-book preaching, anthropophobic, plastic robot who becomes blind to all the real things in life. I miss her in my life but if her life is happier (or holier) without (this sinful) me, I'm happy for her and it better end neatly. This is the EXACT email conversation that took place between us today:
Keshi: So r u coming to the Bollywood cruise?
Sharon: I can't. So sorry I forgot I promised to let you know. It is not really my thing I guess. Hope you are well?
Keshi:Bollywood is not your thing? Then how come you wanted to go for Bollywood dance lessons with me? (recently she forced me into taking Bollywood classes with her and I did, and she's also a big fan of Bollywood movies and clothes etc etc)
Sharon: No I didn't mean bollywood. meant cruising , with a lot of unknown people ! I am too old for that now. (why don't she wind up life altogether and get herself a coffin then? I'd provide the headstone that reads 'She was too old to live'. For fuck's sakes!)
Keshi:God Sharon I can’t believe u just said that! I don’t understand u somehow…u r not too old to take Bollywood dance classes with a lot of unknown students but ur too old to go on a cruise? From where do u get such out-dated thoughts? This kind of makes me feel stupid too. Do u think I’m too old to enjoy life???? I hope not. Pardon me for saying this but maybe it’s not the cruise…u just don’t seem to want to do any fun things with ME anymore. Cos u do have fun with ur other friends don’t u? Anyways that’s ok. THANKS! (at this point I wanted to climb Mount Everest and scream WHY ME until it echoed a million times!)
Sharon:Don't be silly. It is just that I am not in to parties. When was the last time you heard that I have been to a party? It is not you. I love going out to simple dinners in quiet restaurants etc. Or gatherings of not too many people. I don't enjoy dressing up and going out. That is just not me. I don't even have a party dress even. All my clothes are just simple cotton things. You know that very well. (liar liar undies on fire! Gatherings of not too many people? Why don't you go have drinks in a museum then?)
Keshi: No I didn’t know that at all..cos the last time we met u were shopping for a $200 wedding dress and u do go to parties with ur church friends (she's a big spender when it comes to clothes)
Sharon: That was a wedding of a very good friend (note the words very good friend - she means a JW friend). And I got a very simple looking dress. Which I will be wearing for 2 more weddings coming in Aug and in Nov. 
That is very different to a night out in the city. (excuses n excuses n excuses!)
That is very different to a night out in the city. (excuses n excuses n excuses!)Keshi: And I’m not a good friend u might want to go out with once in 10yrs?!!! Ok I don’t need no explanations anymore Sharon. Cos it’s so easy to argue a friendship’s worth through words but so hard to prove it through actions. I haven’t felt our great friendship for ages now. Maybe it’s dead.
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Very interesting post Kesh!
It's a shame that things are like this between you two now, but.. I think you said it best yourself:
"I don't expect anything from friends except a good heart."
:)
Suga
I'm sorry for your loss. I'm a Christian and I have many friends and some don't go to my church. I have made many blog friends and some don't share my faith, but doesn't not make me better or worse than them or them me. I'm sorry for the bad experience you have had and hope that one day your friendship can be redeemed. Blessings to you.
Hey... shit happens...
Chill...
You have more than 6 billion people 2 be friends with... so reach out for new ones... If old ones come back.. greet em back... else.. keep goin... keep movin on...
Aw man..that s bad..
But hey you tried anyway. I wonder what makes her so dumb enough to ignore someone like you who has waited patiently for such a long time...
Maybe one day she ll get back to her senses and come searching for you..Meantime you have fun and live life to get younger!
wow chicki!
ok..yeah she's in the wrong...
i learned a hard lesson a couple of years ago when me and a friend of mine parted ways......i had to get this lesson from a friend of mine who was my nemesis at one point...anyhow
me and S were really good friends..we had boyfriends, went to school together had similar interests in music/entertainment in life...but we also had major boyfriend problems....anyhow
when shit hit the fan with me....my boyfriend left me in the cruelest of ways, i found out i was used for 2 years, i had to bring my butt back from LA to DC with my tail in between my legs and forego pursuing my dancing dreams while i helped an asshole of a boyfriend....i gained alot of weight....
well...she had similar problems but when all of my stuff hit at once the complete opposite occured for her...only positives were happening for her...but she wasn't there for me...i was depressed and I couldn't be happy for her and her improving life...her boyfriend got his shit together, she was succeeding in the entertainment world with commercials, plays etc.....the total opposite of me...all the stuff that i wanted
my other friend, who was my former nemesis, said that the things that brought us together had now separated us...thus our friendship was no longer conducive....her life moved one way and mine the other..it sucked she wasn't there for me when everything happened but that's what it was...
and maybe that's what it is with you and your friend....
your lives have gone in separate ways....i don't think it's the religion that is pulling her away...i think it is your friend herself.....
it has nothing to do with you...it sucks that her view on the friendship has shifted most notably through her actions but she's moved on...shitty...but she did....you don't just up and leave your friends hanging once new aspects come into your life...they should share in that experience because after all they are your friend.....
she's not fighting for the friendship and you shouldn't...sucks like britney spears' fashion sense but it is what it is....
a fucked up end to good relationship.....
i'm sorry chicki...
i'm here though...... :)
p.s. i updated
its sad
she needed to mend her heart
she turned to religion
now she has changed
Shit happens
she become a JW
these guys are very orthodox
no more partying and stuff
she will probably try to convert u too
by the way
i hate reading other peoples mail
I had a friend who abandoned me when I decided to try religion back in the 80s. He was so pissed off at me that he moved to Sydney aweek before I got married in '83 and hasn't spoken a word to me since.
He has no idea that I have since abandoned that path and I have missed him all these years despite our unfortunate termination.
Some people need to do a 180 because they think that the answer to LIFE is right there under their nose...I did for a while.
In the last decade or so I have been brutally honest with my old churchy friends and some of them are OK with that and some of them are not. Nobody wants to consider that they might not have the SECRET to LIFE! It is an awesome feeling imagining that you have stumbled upon the SECRET.
The trouble is that there is no secret and if you study history it becomes painfully obvious..if you are honest with yourself. That being said it is just as hard to return to a world without any answers that seems to be getting more brutal and inhumane with each passing day. Small wonder that people desire to have some supernatural protection watching over them.
Either way you need to do two things. You need to read the origins and belief system of the Witnesses to understand why they are not allowed to engage in the world..and you need to maintain the hope that she will find her way back if at all possible. If you argue to strongly you will only alienate her and bolster her convictions.
I still cross examine the J-Dubs when they come to my door because I actually know what I am talking about and understand that they cannot afford to answer my particular questions without opening some doors that they keep locked. It breaks my heart sometimes to see the enslavement and misery that they subject themselves to but it is entirely their decision. Good old Free Will.
We all search for validation and sometimes it is easier for someone else to have done all of the thinking for us. If she comes back you can keep going forward but if she wants to stay and hide in the fold then she will have to work her way through it on her own terms and in her own time.
WW thought that I was a goner but I came back. Who can say why but I personally believe that common sense and reason won the day over the mystical. Just lucky I guess.
nothing lasts forever dummy
u shud know that by now
not even friends and lovers
i remember the time we used to taunt CYNO and the other weirdos on IT
and i used to wake up at 4 AM everyday just to meet u when u got there
but all that has changed now
u gradusted into blogging
i changed over the years
so have u
now u hate me
u hate the person i have become
but we all grow keshi
and we move
my best friends of childhood are not my friends any more
i have picked up new friends
i had flipped for a blogger
but the craziness has gone on both sides
we have moved on
u gotta move on too
but cherish the memories
just as i do
dont get me rong
this is not for u
its for her
We shared a life, we shared a heart
But what we united seems to be breaking apart
It’s a haunting pain, goes right to the core
Now we’re dividing what’s mine from what’s yours
I’ll keep the same old things I had when we met
And you’ll keep what’s yours ‘cause that would only be fair
But what about the heart that we both created together?
[ CHORUS ]
We used to be the toast of the town
We used to have the best love of all
We had blue skies but they came falling down
What happened to us
You and I once were lovers
No cheating hearts and no one did wrong
So why did we break, can’t say our love wasn’t strong
But I know with time things that start to mend
So let’s fix these hearts so they can’t be broken again
You need a man who sees how lonely you’ve been
Don’t worry, I will start all over and then
We will get back the heart that we both created together
Last night I cried but girl you were not here
So it was just a big waste of tears
But then I smiled, I heard your voice in my ear
Tellin’ me you wish it could be like it was in the beginning
alas but it is not to be
we moved on
Hmmm... The Jehovah Witness eh...
One of my ex bf was a jehovah witness before i went out with him.yea.
JWs are band in singapore because of their pracitices and beliefs that defies the Singapore goverment. They practice underground still i heard. They are classified under the section "CULT" in Sg. They don't drink things like caffeine,coke,paticipate in certain activities etc. Their bible, beliefs and teachings varies from the normal christian faith i heard.And believe it to be true seeing the way they practice.They know the bible at their fingertips. but i think t that doesn't really matter i guess.
I've always said this. Sometimes people make up God into what He is not and structured themselves to restrictions tat He sometimes don't intiate. Hmm..Its something that anony and frustrate me at times. It limits their flow of thoughts, creativity, personality and become like u said Robot when i dun think thats what they are design with different talents for anyways. Just sharing my thoughts.:)
And hugs about ya friend. It must have hurt very much since there was a v close bond. I feel ya seeing how you tolerate the days and waited patiently been there and it sure feels sucky despite coaxing myself to try to be understanding.
I guess we can't hold the strings too tight if they demand to not collide smoothly and happily with us. *Hugs SWeets*
Mwahhiezzz.
The end of a friendship is so sad. But who knows, you guys might still end up friends again someday.
Hmmm, remembered when I was really little, the JWs used to come around with their bibles to preach, and they absolutely refused to go away when requested, so you literally had to close the door on them.
Then as I grew older, heard that they somehow got banned or something like that, but they don't come round anymore to preach.
Still, till now, I'm not really sure who are they are what they stand for.
, REPENT AND BE SAVED
says JW,
u are asked to turn to God in fear
A World Ends—Another Replaces It
Yes, a world did end. Consider the world that became very wicked in the days of Noah. The Bible explains: “The world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water.” The Bible also says: “[God] did not hold back from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a deluge upon a world of ungodly people.”—2 Peter 2:5; 3:6.
But when will this world end? What “sign” did Jesus give of his “coming, and of the end of the world”?
Jesus did not give just one event as “the sign.” He described many world events and situations. All of these would take place during the time that Bible writers called “the last days.” (2 Timothy 3:1-5; 2 Peter 3:3, 4)
“Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom.” (Matthew 24:7)
“There will be food shortages.” (Matthew 24:7)
“There will be great earthquakes.” (Luke 21:11)
“In one place after another pestilences.” (Luke 21:11)
“Increasing of lawlessness.” (Matthew 24:12)
“He that does the will of God remains forever.”—1 John 2:17.
“God . . . will wipe out every tear from [people’s] eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.”—Revelation 21:3, 4.
but my Jesus is a loving father
He dont instill fear in me
,
HE only says love another
the rest of the Bible is BS
,
thats too much.. think she has better friends than to consider your lasting friendship..! but some day she will know the value.. atleast before she becomes a fertilizer..
i have too much free time on my hands
ever since my kids started working
i have taken life easy
started being choosy about my consultancy assignments
i have no dreams to chase now
just having a laid back life
like VEST
I've heard and seen r'ships break off due to differences in faith or religion.. now f'ships too.
Wow!!
If all of this is a sudden and drastic change in her then I understand your outburst and irritation. She might be going through a confusing time and if you're too judgemental of her she might avoid u to avoid the stress of it.
I know that as a friend u're worried and as an honest person you are voicing your worries to her. There is no point if friends dont say the things we dont want to hear.
Be patient with her maybe that might help the friendship survive..
hey keshilicious!
a very touching post indeed...
i didnt knw bout the Jehovah Witnesses..didnt imagine dat even such ppl exist nowadays..i guess we dont hv em in India..do we? lemme knw..
and keshi..u didnt write wat was the last reply she had given to u in the mail..u sed goodbye indirectly..but wht bout her?? she didnt reply back kya?
newas...i guess u shud really move on...u shud understand she's completely changed and doesnt hv nething for u except some formal feelings which u alread aware f now..so cheer up girl!!
Hmm.. Keshi, perhaps you shouldn`t have waited.! i too do that at times, i wait and then realize it`s too late.
Anyway, i think it`s time for you to move on, dont keep a grudge.
In life, we read, chapters of spite
Life is no small tome, but ends in sight
Lose thy grudge, O` my comrade
Chapters they are, all tie the plot
As the pages turn, why leave a blot. ?
I wrote the above when i had a similar experience..
Have Fun, Take Care and God Bless!
With Best Regards,
Srijith.
hi Keshi, it's a very disappointing story huh? sorry about u n ur best friends. life must go on. if she doesn't care anymore, then be off with it :) by the way, i love that strawberry post. it looks awesome. hehe... i'm a huge strawberry fan :)
Hey Keshi - so sorry to hear that - i don't believe religion should come in the way of friendship, but if that is their beliefs there is nothing more you can do about it.
I have had a similar situation when a friend of a friend stopped talking to her as she went all religious (she was Jewish) and stopped coming out. My friend was really hurt but knew she had to move on, no matter how much it did hurt her to sever the relationship.
If she is a true friend then she will realise what she has lost and come back...if not then the memories of your times together will let you remember her as she was.
It's sad when a friendship ends, but sometimes people move on for various reasons. Maybe you should invite her out for a quiet dinner, to talk about things... :)
Sad that it happened when friendship day is arriving...
But I do agree that sometimes people change drastically..
I can understand that people may be looking for a religion or something to firmly believe in or to guide them, but how these world wide "business" organisations act is in my opinion making more harm than good! There is a scientology centre fairly close to where I live. Each time I pass in front of the building I get upset; the wealthiness of this organisation is too striking! I'm against all kinds of fanatism (even for religious reasons) and non tolerance which mostly create only struggeling, fighting and even wars! There are too many examples of this, not only in history, but maybe even more still today!
I don't know if your friend feels really happy for herself, which at least would be a comfort, but it's really a pity when this kind of belief leads to what you describe!
At least, you have done whatever you can do, that's what I understand!
It sucks that you have to go through this. I've lost a few friends to god before. Sometimes it's just best to let go.
Gosh!! this is so insane... you have all my sympathies for this incident.. and i do hope you'l move on fast!! you really do break up wid old and good frnds for some reason which does appear to be stupid.... can't help it now, can we??
chin up girl!! :)
Keshi,it's really a shame that a good friend would treat you thusly.I haven't heard about JV(Will go to link you gave).But,yes,one thing I must say-treat this as a 'step up'the ladder of life.You live and learn- The lesson here is,the one person who can truly ensure your happiness,is YOU.All else and all others are secondary.Sounds a bit harsh,yes.But,try it-and,tell me.:)Have a nice day.
You need to be very careful about ditching friends, but you have been more than patient and you are well rid of her. Who can be friends with someone who has such weird beliefs?
I hope the sunshine shines on your beautiful smiling face today.
HUGS
tc
hi KESHI,
well truly said..
Cos it’s so easy to argue a friendship’s worth through words but so hard to prove it through actions..
huh i think KESHI is so Simple gurl..never fight'd and all that..ha ha...
ummm so SAD to know about her..J/W teaches this type of Nature and attitude..than its really not Good for any FRiend!
hope you have done right as revealed in your Conversation and its HER Time to Come and Continue , if she treats YOU as a good friend..!!
but till than i will Accompany Keshi-the Kid!!ha ha..take care..bye..!!
well .. i knw it wud hurt whn ur old n lovely frndz do that .. its vry annoying at the same time . n rightly said ... I want to shout too .. WHY ME :(
why me? why me? why me ? fuck ... y the fuck me ? ..
newyz .. I guess she had to move on, nd u too have to .. its easy to say .. bt keshi there's no other option too .. its hard bein patient for longer thn it deserves ..
I did somthing too whn this patience thing got over me :P .. n broke up wid someone .. nd now i hear some hidden comments .. such as wat happnd all of a sudden nd like ..'what changed' ...bt they will nevr knw :)
newyz .. keep happy ;)
cheers
anuj
about coming back to aus .. donno ..
nd i was having a nice chat wid a frnd of mine about goin bck to aus .. nd if i want to .. nd do i have the fascination of goin bck n living in a foreign land n stuff ..
n the answers got more n more confusing...
I will let u knw frsure :P
Those JW peeps are weird and are cult like.They bug us too here,sometimes they get angry if I say I don't have time.I say I am a Hindu and they say 'that's okay,can we come in and read Bible together'! I say no and they get angry!!!
Sorry about your friend.What can you do but accept and move on.May be one day she will need you again,be there.
Aaaww, Keshi, I totally know where you are coming from. I had a best friend that I did everything with when I was 14 and all through high school and early college, but she became incredibly preachy and ditched me too. It took a long time to find a friend that close again (I married him when I did) ; )
She sounds depressed and used a strange religion as a crutch to get over her boyfriend but now seems to be brain washed.
Its hard when a close friend changes towards us,
and it sounds like she is going
through a life change and feels this is the answer
Hard to know if she will come out of it again
Sometimes changes make us grow apart, and we have to move on
and we end up with the people we were mean't to be with
Loss of any kind is hard
you can make her aware
but you can't change her
One day, she may regret the loss of the friendship she shared with you
Aww! Keshi I'm very sorry that your friendship seems to have come to an end. It seems like you tried very hard to make things work.
I hope your friend will find peace in her life and eventually find the happiness she seems to desperately need.
sorry to sound a bit judgmental but i am kinda surprised that you reacted like that. did you ever try to understand the pain she might be going thru post-break up. crazy things happen to ppl after such nasty experiences and yes some might adopt a different way of life..why did that hurt you? b/c she doesnt go out for parties?
a friend should not break up with his/her friend just b/c s/he changed his way of life. Never. think with a cool head and you ll realise you might have over-reacted. just my opinion :)
Goodness gracious!
My best friend in junior high school used to come over every night to play cards with me. Every day.
Then one day he became a born-again Christian, and he wouldn't play cards anymore. He told me they were the work of the devil.
I think he just realized that he was never going to beat me in cards! Hugs Kesh!
That sounds bad..at some point of life something happens and that something changes the life forever.. thats what had happened here in your friend's..neither of u are to be blamed..something is to be blamed..keep up.. one fine day everything will be ok.:)
And i thought I was weird!
keshi, loosing friends are hard, well I had lost alot of them due to moving away, university, soccer, girls, bla bla bla...
Life is short, the heck with them, get a new friend! :D
probably u would know best keshi, but i wud say dont giv up on her yet!
ive been difficult a hell lotta times myself (whn u r juss outta a bad phase, u tend to do tht)but lookin bak now , i really thank god for giving me friends who have actually tolerated me with all my tantrums n "phases"...
hoping things sort out between ull soon n u get back your friend :)
Oh Keshi,you know the worst thing about all that? She has no idea how it's all affecting you.
Oh you've tried and knowing you - you will keep trying but lines have to be drawn you can't just put friendships down and pick them up again.
Change sometimes does come over people in the name of religion, it's sad that it does and it's always sad to lose a friend but she's wasting your precious time now. Cut loose you will always have your memories - what will she have?
Such a sort of nice post Keshi, I'll pop back later with someting to cheer you up k?
I am so sorry for the loss of your friend. It should not matter what one believes in their personal world, friends are hard to come by.
HOW ARE YOU TODAY? its hard losing a friend but you have many more right? and i am in lots of pain today.GREAT POST!!!!!!!!
i completely agree with ice man..shit does happen!
ther are so many others..if she doesn't want to stay friends anymore..dont push it kesh..there are so many others..frankly it looks like she doesn't deserve a friend like you!
Keshi FOR YOU
I say you should continue with your bollywood dance lessons and one of your future posts should talk about Tips and Tricks to learn elite skills. Trust me I will give up (my virtual) jogging and dance with you :)
If you ask me...my principle is very simple...if you dont give a darn about me...I dont give a fucking shit. So you just carry on with your life gal...people do get busy with their life and this is just a part of life.
Cheerss...
I'm sorry to hear about your friendship with her, Keshi. :( I know it's hard losing a friend, more over, a best friend..
I used to have a JW neighbor too. The wife wouldn't even bothered talking to me because she thinks I'm "wild" - just because I go out partying with friend most weekends. Sometimes, whe sould be "preaching" the neighbors too... Makes me wonder if they are all like that?
Anyway, hope you'll get over it with her soon.. and find a new friend. It's hard.. but you're a very sweet girl. I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that would like to be friends, best friends with you. :)
(((Hugs)))
i'm surprised you haven't heard about the kiss!!! it sent the world in shock! well the bollywood, India loving world in shock...
here's the link to the pics..
http://www.indicine.com/movies/bollywood/bipasha-basu-with-cristiano-ronaldo/
she went in quick defense mode after the pics came about.....
awww Jehovah's Witnesses and Watch Tower are active in japan too..
u are sooo straightforward, keshi-chan!!
i hope she will get bored with preaching and come back to u :)
of course friendship is more important than religion!!
I can relate to this post keshi simply becoz things have happened in the same manner n fashion with me ...... its just that i still think him to be very important part of life ..... i dont expect pub nights, outings, calls (once in blue moon might be)etc etc and still ....
dont know why but thght he was the best buddy i had ...
anyways want u to know i m sorry for your loss .....
take care
alok
Suga tnxx! But seems like Im too tired of waiting for her now...
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Nadine ty!
I know..we all come from different faiths, cultures, countries and lifestyles...but Friendship dunno any of that...friendship only knows of the heart.
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Iceman tnxx!
I know I hv loads of ppl who love me for who I am...but Sharon is my very first friend here and we stuck together for a long time. Now she's avoiding me like Im some kinda infectious disease. WHY?
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Leya WC n ty!
I dun think she'll ever be the same again...it's been a very long time now.
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hey Lisa tnxx for sharing ur experience here. HUGGGGGGGGGZ!
Ur story kinda struck a cord with this situation...so close...
**....her life moved one way and mine the other..
I guess thats what happened here too...she's gone her separate way..but I dun wanna say I have gone a separate way too...cos I havent..I was always here...Im still the same Keshi she used to know...and I was trying so hard to save our friendship..whereas there was no effort from her side. So yeah, she's gone her separate way...only she, not me.
Keshi.
hey Jim tnxx!
**she will probably try to convert u too
nah..she knows Im not a convertible LOL!
Jim I know nothing lasts forever...but I dun wanna lose a good friendship over some religious shit.
**now u hate me
u hate the person i have become
Do I hate u? Thats how u think of me? WOW good to know that. Did u ever imagine why Im letting u still comment in my blog again n again, even after u have humilated me in SO MANY ways? Mebbe u r the one who's taking ur friends for granted. Mebbe u r the one who hates me? Its so easy to point fingers at others Jim when ur ego is too fogged up by self-love. Analyse ur own actions b4 u criticise me of having CHANGED.
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HE ur story truly enlightened me on this situation! tnxx mate.
**Small wonder that people desire to have some supernatural protection watching over them.
so true! ppl often like to think that they know all the secrets to a happy and everlasting life while others r wasting time..thats what they think.
So ur friend never contacted u after that? Why dun u try to find him?
**We all search for validation and sometimes it is easier for someone else to have done all of the thinking for us
yup...thats what Sharon behaves like now. She sometimes laughs at me saying that I dunno anything abt life. ?? Like she does. All I know is that Im here now, Im happy in this moment and that my friends n family r wut my world is. I dun care whether I go to heaven/hell after I die...I'll see abt that AFTER I die :)
tnxx HE!
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Anony tnxx!
yes Im moving on...cos it seems she has moved on long time ago.
Keshi.
hey Amy tnxx hun!
I didnt know JWs were banned in Singapore. WOW!
**Sometimes people make up God into what He is not and structured themselves to restrictions tat He sometimes don't intiate
so true! that is so wrong btw. I just dun u'stand how few ppl take the power into their hands to manipulate so many others with lies. d u know that some cults like these take 30% of members' monthly salaries as donation to God!!! These r money-making tactics. And gullible ppl fall for it.
**I guess we can't hold the strings too tight if they demand to not collide smoothly and happily with us.
Amy that was very well-said! ty n HUGGGGGGGGGGGZ!
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Menchie I dunno wut our future is...but Im def TIRED of all the rejection.
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tnxx Saffy!
**Still, till now, I'm not really sure who are they are what they stand for
me neither...once when I was at Sharon's place, one JW guy came over to me to have that 'TALK'...he kinda humilated my faith...Buddhism that is. And also Hinduism. In that instance itself I knew that JWs r a bunch of mislead bullies. if ur faith is so perfect and pure, it wont teach u to demean other faiths. thats all I can say.
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Anony tnxx!
**HE only says love another
I agree...isnt that what really matters after all.
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hey Sujit!
**atleast before she becomes a fertilizer..
Im not sure if she will..Sujit she is SO CHANGED. I cant believe it's teh same Sharon I knew!
Keshi.
DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RIP Sharon.
I am glad you had your say.
Now dust your self off and move on!
hey Johno!
**I've heard and seen r'ships break off due to differences in faith or religion.. now f'ships too
o very much! I hv seen so many friends breaking up cos of differences in faith and even opinions!
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Aditi ty!
**She might be going through a confusing time and if you're too judgemental of her she might avoid u to avoid the stress of it.
she went thru her difficult times LONG time ago..and I was there for her. Now she's very much over all of it and is comfy in her new faith...she's been swallowed by JW rules..and one of their rules is not to associate WORLDLY ppl..ppl like me.
So Aditi how long d u think I should wait? Cos I hv now waited for YEARS for her to come bak to her senses.
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U r so right Wacko! It's just 'formal' feelings that she has for me right now.
**and keshi..u didnt write wat was the last reply she had given to u in the mail..
she didnt reply to that email. But I told her Im kinda sick of waiting for YEARS while she completely ignores me. I dun think she has anything to say...thats why she's quiet. U see, she doesnt even wanna fight for our friendship anymore. thats even more disturbing!
tnxx Wacko!
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Srijith ty very much!
**As the pages turn, why leave a blot. ?
I so agree! WOW that was a beautiful verse.
Im not gonna wait anymore...the long wait has made me an idiot.
Keshi.
Baby_Angel WC n ty!
yes...it's not worth the wait anymore..cos it seems like Im waiting for something that will never arrive.
Im glad u like strawberries..:)
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Silvara ty and Im sorry to hear abt ur friend's friend. its everywhere isnt it!
**If she is a true friend then she will realise what she has lost and come back
true..thats what I believe too. Im not gonna coax her into going out with me again...she doesnt even come to my place anymore n thats really shocking. So yeah, let time make her realise things. If not, I'm still not the LOSER.
Keshi.
hey Nora ty!
**Maybe you should invite her out for a quiet dinner, to talk about things
I hv invited her MANY times over the last 3 years or so..and she refused each time.
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Princess ty!
yes ppl change drastically...and why I cant u'stand that is cos Im not such a person.
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Peter tnxx so much for understanding me. It seems u realise my efforts and that makes me relieved. TY!
** the wealthiness of this organisation is too striking!
I agree...thats cos these organisations get their members to pay 30% of their salaries every month, in the name of achieving that eternal life! I heard that just yday from a work-mate n I was shocked. MONEY in the name of God? There's gotta be some catch to it!
Ur right...as if this world dun hv enough wars cos of the religions thats already here!
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WC Captain n ty!
Im sorry u lost a few friends too...well looks like its everywhere.
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ty Sam!
**you really do break up wid old and good frnds for some reason which does appear to be stupid
isnt it wierd that something as silly as this can break ppl up :)
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ty Amit!
**The lesson here is,the one person who can truly ensure your happiness,is YOU
I believe in that too. Well-said.
Keshi.
hey Andrew ty!
**You need to be very careful about ditching friends, but you have been more than patient and you are well rid of her
yes...I mean thats why I didnt DITCH her for years! But u know, even if I did ditch her bak then, she wudnt hv even noticed!
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aww Rick ty n HUGGGGGGGGGGGZ!
Hope ur ok.
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Pankaj Im a kid? LOL okkk!
**..J/W teaches this type of Nature and attitude..than its really not Good for any FRiend!
Exactly my point!
**hope you have done right as revealed in your Conversation and its HER Time to Come and Continue...
well-said! It's her time to CONTINUE!
tnxx Pankaj!
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Anuj heyy! :) hows u?
**its hard bein patient for longer thn it deserves ..
I agree...I think I waited tooo long!
Who's that friend? do I know him/her? :)
Aus is a great country...and Aus misses Anuj right now...hehehe.
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Asha ty sweetie!
I know that JWs can be so forceful...once they knocked on my door and I didnt know my mum has opened it already and was talking to em...they wudnt let us close the door..I was like WTF.
Then I told em that we dun believe in all that stuff n to leave us alone. He looked like he wanted to kill me LOL! Mebbe he wanted to give me my eternal life then n there?
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heyya Helen sweetie!
** It took a long time to find a friend that close again (I married him when I did)
awww how cute! And now ur experimenting farenheit temps with him LOL!
HUGGGGGGGGZ!
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hey TK hows it going?
**Sometimes changes make us grow apart, and we have to move on
and we end up with the people we were mean't to be with
I agree! Thats soooo true.
ty n HUGGGGGGGGGZ!
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hey Fated ty!
**I hope your friend will find peace in her life and eventually find the happiness she seems to desperately need.
thats what I want for her too..thats why her new faith didnt bother me at all...all I wanted from her was the girl I used to know...nothing else. but it seems that I have now become an obstacle for her cos of her new faith...I was a bother to her.
Keshi.
hey Jitterbug hows u? :)
**did you ever try to understand the pain she might be going thru post-break up.
oyeah! FOR YEARS. I gave her years of my life Jit. This didnt happen overnight. And trust me, when she broke up with her BF, that was the time I broke up with my BF too. We were both in a mess and we helped each other to be where we r today. Except that she chose a very different path later on.
**crazy things happen to ppl after such nasty experiences and yes some might adopt a different way of life..why did that hurt you?
it didnt hurt me the least bit. If that hurt me, I'd have left her the day she joined JWs! D u know I even went with her to a JW party...I was the ONLY outsider there but I did it FOR her..cos she wanted me to come along. And it's now been YEARS since she has dicthed me Jitterz. I didnt ditch her.. i wasnt the one who got hurt by her new faith...she was the one who considered me to be a pain in her life. D u see what Im saying here?
**b/c she doesnt go out for parties?
O gawwwwwwd no no no! This was just the FINAL call to her from me trying to get her to come along with me like she used to. It wasnt only parties that I invited her for...I asked her so many times to come home like she used to...she never came. U know my mum loved cooking for her cos she was my best friend...my sis loves her too. We were FAMILY.
**a friend should not break up with his/her friend just b/c s/he changed his way of life. Never.
So u think Im breaking up with her? Jitterz d u realise that it is she who has broken up with me even w.o. me realising it for years?
**think with a cool head and you ll realise you might have over-reacted.
I have been cool for years while all she did was REJECT me. Where is this friendship that ur asking me to save? Was it there at all in the last few years?
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hey Dan!
**I think he just realized that he was never going to beat me in cards!
LOL cute one. HUGGGGGGGGGGZ!
He's stupid to have left a great mate like u. Mebbe now he's beating some 'beatable' guy somewhere else in that card game :)
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hey Jeya!
**neither of u are to be blamed..something is to be blamed
aww very well-said! Its not her...its not me...its some made-up cult group thats breaking up up.
Keshi.
Ghosty thats so true...if ur brollie is broken, get a new one :)
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Pri ty!
I dun usually GIVE UP on my friends. But it seems he has given up on me...only cos of her new faith?
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Ebezp that was so sweet of ya! HUGGGGGGGGGGGZ! Very pretty :)
**Cut loose you will always have your memories - what will she have?
true...but Im not sure if she's even bothered by that.
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hey Chelle WC n ty!
**It should not matter what one believes in their personal world, friends are hard to come by.
I agree. Religions may come n go....but good friends are VERY RARE.
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Kaylee heyy why r u in pain? :(
HUGGGGGGGGGGGGZ!
Keshi.
hey Lemonade ty sweetie!
**if she doesn't want to stay friends anymore..dont push it kesh..there are so many others..
exactly my feelings...if she doesnt want me as a friend why am I so after her. Stuff it. Im really pissed at myself.
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hey z000nie HAPPY BIRTHDAY again mate! HUGGGGGGGGGGGZ! :)
Where's my lemon cake?
** Trust me I will give up (my virtual) jogging and dance with you
LOL awwww....so u'll dance for 'Bring it on' with me? :)
**my principle is very simple...if you dont give a darn about me...I dont give a fucking shit.
yep..I've lately started doing the same. Life is too short to go after ppl who dun care abt ya.
ty z000nie!
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aww ty Cindy ur so sweet!
**The wife wouldn't even bothered talking to me because she thinks I'm "wild
yep thats what they think of us...that we r WORLDLY. For godssakes if we r in this world, wut else can we be! HEAVENLY?
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hey Lisa I didnt know abt it...Im gonna check it out soon. ty MWAHHHHHHHHHH!
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hey Niki hows u?
**i hope she will get bored with preaching and come back to u
LOL! I hope so too. :)
HUGGGGGGGGGGGGZ!
Keshi.
hey Alok!
**its just that i still think him to be very important part of life ..... i dont expect pub nights, outings, calls
well Im glad u want his friendship still. but that mebbe cos he still wants ur friendship too. In Sharon's case, nah she doesnt do anything with me anymore. So I dun think its fair on me to sit here waiting for her forever...who knows mebbe next time she rings me I'd be 95yrs old or even worse be dead. It wud be too late to go on a Bollywood cruise then ha? :)
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Blessed ty sweetie HUGGGGGGGGGGZ!
Keshi.
It hurts when close friendship gets sour.I can feel your pain.
//Kaylee heyy why r u in pain? :(//
hey keshi.Not sure why the pain.....I am gunna try taking my medicine.
hmm im kind of a pro at this "loosing friends" because people change thing. the only thing ive learned from my experiences is
that people either GROW together or grow APART..
guess you guys grew apart... and oh believe me i understand what ure talkign about..
my roomie of 4 years.. a alcoholic and what not.. i mean a part animal, is now a straight up catholic cause she's dating a church going guy and well -- its not her scene to PARTY or even have a drink here and there or even go to a bar.
GEEZ PEOPLE .. whatever happened to MODERATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hey chicki,
i thought the same too...i was like this does not look like her but bipasha confirmed that it was her but it was all just innocent...doesn't matter...john and bips are still together...they've lasted another storm
Ghost particle makes sense
Life is short, the heck with them, get a new friend! :D
Shed a tear for Sanjay Dutt
Life has been cruel to him
just when he was doing well
He has been sentenced to 6 years in jail
He doesnt eat
smokes endlessly
He prnces in his cell
like a caged tiger
Sharda true...it HURTS.
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Kaylee do TC of urself sweetie.
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ur right Choco..all friends dun always stay forever...
**whatever happened to MODERATION!!
I agree! Something I cant stand is EXTREMISM.
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Lisa I dun believe that's Bips...it must be some hoax. That girl is NOT Bips at all! Not even close to her looks!
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Jim yep Ghosty makes alot of sense.
Sanjay Dutt...wut can I say...he's designed his own fate hasnt he?
Keshi.
Calm down and move ahead....
Southy I wish it was that easy, especially when she is a long-term and very close friend...
Keshi.
Life itself isn't easy...
and btw why u want a day off...:D?
Hi keshi..its very hard to find true friendship! take it easy and stay cool dear!
big hug!
anits
I have an old roommate who is now a "born-again" Christian. He's a good guy but he sends me all these crazy emails all the time and keeps telling me how he's afraid for soul or something like that. Dude is just like any cult member you've ever read about or seen on TV. Seriously, it's that bad.
Jumpin' Jehova!! We gets those prats at the door form time to time - they are even more irritating than the mormons, if that's possible. I tell them exactly where they can stick that watch tower.
You have to have some fun in this life or you'll have that sad moment of realization as you die that that was it, there ain't no more and you should have made the most of your limited time.
Southy come to think of it, Life isnt that hard..it's just ppl that make it complex than it really is.
Day off yes..lol I mean that pic sent me to lala land! :)
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Wut u said is so true Anits...finding a true friend like finding water in a desert.
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hey Jay!
**he sends me all these crazy emails all the time and keeps telling me how he's afraid for soul
LOL! why is he afraid? Isnt faith supposed to make u fearless? :)
Keshi.
G'day Phos!
** I tell them exactly where they can stick that watch tower.
hahaha!
**You have to have some fun in this life or you'll have that sad moment of realization as you die that that was it, there ain't no more and you should have made the most of your limited time.
Omg this is sooo true! I mean after u die, is gonna be AFTER u die. So why cut down on all the real things in life for something that's gonna take AFTER u die?
the other day I was watching an Emergency program on TV, and they brough in a JW patient...he has had some major accident n was in need of immediate surgey that required blood transfusion. He refused to have it and when the doc said 'd u know that means u might lose ur life', he said 'I know..and it's ok'. I WAS SO SHOCKED AT HIS FANATICISM that didnt make him value his own life! He even spoke to some 'elder' in the church to ask abt it! In the end he said NO to a blood transfusion.
Somehow he survived the surgey w.o. any blood transfusion.
Apparently many Jehovah's Witnesses sincerely believe that it is a gross sin to accept a blood transfusion or any human product. What I dun get is, if they dun want any human product in their bodies, why do they get married and have babies? A baby is created thru sperms right???
Keshi.
Wow...as I read this post, Keshi I kept wondering if this is what my friends back home think of me? i left my comfort zone of DC to move to NYC in 2001...i didn't join a "cult-like" religion, but i did feel like the walls were closing in on me & I needed a change from my "norm". I needed to try something new before I died. Yes, I've grown apart from many of my friends "back home" - but i've also grown closer to some friends i had lost touch with. And I've even made new friends. I think friendships are cyclical, now. Some will return to your life and some won't. Just wish her well.
U clearly are NOT lacking for friends - if your cyber-set is ANY indication of your real life set of friends!
Hugz 2 U!
I just read this OMG!
http://www.ajwrb.org/
Some JWs even died cos they refused blood transfusions even when they were seriously in need of it. WHY? Did God say blood is bad for u? Then why did he make us of blood?
F'n morons.
Keshi.
Caps Im sure u didnt ignore them deliberately...cos of ur faith etc? Well we all find new friends but losing the old ones cos a belief is not what i called true friendship is.
I dun lack friends...but recently it seems like Im not doing very well in the Friends department. Im losing one by one...mebbe it's what life is after all...nothing lasts forever.
ty so much, ur so sweet. HUGGGGGGGGGGGZ! :)
Keshi.
Keshi - I went in search of an email address for u w/o success:-) - wanted to ask u an off topic question can u send me an email to: capcity4@yahoo.com? i'd greatly appreciate it:-)
Sure Caps no probs. I will email u soon.
tnxx!
Keshi.
And I found out this abt the JWs in a JW site:
***What about having close association with those who may be morally clean but who lack faith in the true God? The Scriptures tell us: "The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." (1 John 5:19) We come to discern that bad associations are not limited to permissive or morally debased people. Hence, we are wise to cultivate close friendships only with those who love Jehovah.
My advice to you would be just give her some space. Good friends always depend on each other for support!
Radha I gave her plenty of space and time over couple of years. Seems like she didnt even realise that and I was all alone on this.
Anyways, I wish her well.
Keshi.
Wow. I don't understand religions that seem to suck all the fun and joy out of life. That's insane.
Same here Steph. I dun think we r born into this world to read the bible/koran etc 24/7 and think abt how beautiful life is gonna be AFTER death!
Keshi.
If thats the case then WTF r we doing staying alive! lets all go n die and get that eternal life!!!
Keshi.
Chick flick :-) Sorry i did not mean to sound rude. But the fact is it is sad that the religion has taken up so much fun from her or is it the break up or is it the newer people. I don't know what to say and obviously when it comes to skimming through the write ups between you and her, I don't have any right to comment about that but just be at peace within yourself. DOn't force her to do the fun stuff with you. As a matter of fact if she valued - someday she would, she would come back to the most trusted person to her and it sounded you guys were friends indeed.
IF she did not come around then I think you can move on. Life is definitely not about one friend, one person but that does not mean we should throw away relationships atleast one of the two partners should be the silent seeker. Just take it by your chin and hang in there and you know the rest :)
Have a good weekend Kesh.
waiting for what?
Does she have a bad heart?
Chick flick it is Vik :) drama drama drama (rolling eyes here...)
** DOn't force her to do the fun stuff with you.
I dun force her at all..even if it's just to visit us at home like she used to, she has some excuse. This is a girl who used to come ard all the time and went out with me alot.
I told her that it seems like her faith is stopping her from accepting me as a friend anymore. She had no reply to that.
tnxx Vik n u hv a good weekend too!
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hey Suga!
**waiting for what?
waiting for her...waiting for that dead friendship to come back alive. But I dun intend to WAIT forever. What am I? Im not a place. Im a human being...I dun last forever either.
**Does she have a bad heart?
nope. She has a very good heart. Like I said thats the only thing I expect from a friend. But having a good heart and doing nothing abt the friendship leaves me hanging...doesnt it?
Keshi.
***so true! that is so wrong btw. I just dun u'stand how few ppl take the power into their hands to manipulate so many others with lies.
Hmmm.I guess sometimes they allow things to get mixed up with their own carnal minds. hence, being led into believing something they deem correct. It happens alot but mostly start from just one person who gathers others. These things happens. Its a imperfect world. Everybody is searching for acceptance.
***d u know that some cults like these take 30% of members' monthly salaries as donation to God!!! These r money-making tactics. And gullible ppl fall for it.
Well that depends i guess. I mean who is to know what they believe in. And sides, if the people are willing to pay without any holdings than i guess its up to them really.
Cheers Keshi. Have a good weekend.
This is something I wanted to say to few ppl who thinks Im reacting to her way of life:
ppl can think anything abt me...I dun give a damn. it's not that Im having probs with her way of life or beliefs...it's her big CHANGE towards me thats affecting me. So yeah, u can think Im a narrow-minded person I dun care. WUT ABT WUT SHE'S DOING TO ME? Im not made of plastic not to react.
Sometimes I wish I didnt share these stories online. Cos its so easy for some ppl to read this like some cartoon strip and point fingers at me w.o. realising the real issue here. I wish I never blogged abt it..seriously.
Keshi.
hey Amy hows u today MWAHHHHHHHH!
**These things happens. Its a imperfect world. Everybody is searching for acceptance.
so true! And some ppl wud do anything to get it.
**And sides, if the people are willing to pay without any holdings than i guess its up to them really.
true..it's their decision.
ty sweetie n u hv a beautiful weekend HUGGGGGGGGGGZ!
Keshi.
keshi,
some people believe blindly in things like that. They dont realise that love, the most important thing is there is friendships.
Very true ALex!
Keshi.
Am doing good today sweets.
***so true! And some ppl wud do anything to get it.
Yeah indeeds.:)
U have a beautiful weekend too.
And heyz about people having a problem. They always do.;)
And sides, i am glad you share these stuffs. Shows how real you are.
*Hugs*
i don't understand how and why some people can completely give themselves up to a certain faith. its ok to follow a faith in moderation, but that thing taking precedence and changing u entirely is a bad deal. worse is how can someone allow that to happen to his/her self!
im sorry abt this, but i also feel that watvere happened, happened for a good reason. ur friend might realise her folly and go back her old way or she may be like this forever and that means having a blindfold over her eyes....
the thing that really took me by surprise was "i cant associate with worldly ppl" wtf!?!
*wide-eyed*
ty Amy for always having faith in me. HUGGGGGGGGGGZ!
Keshi.
hey Trinnie MWAHHHH!
**but that thing taking precedence and changing u entirely is a bad deal.
thats exactly my point too.
**the thing that really took me by surprise was "i cant associate with worldly ppl" wtf!?!
its a strong principle in their religion!
Keshi.
keshi... its sad that u lost a friend in this manner.. but i would say just respect her decision cos no 2 people are same.. so wat u think may be wrong for her as u feel the same right?
hugggz
mother utssyy :P
he he he
Hey Mother Uttsy :)
**but i would say just respect her decision cos no 2 people are same..
Uttsy its not a case of disrespecting her decision...I have no probs with her faith or what she does. But I do have a problem with the way it has affected her feelings towards me. Im only human. Im not a programmed robot to switch on n off whenever she wants to right?
I mean how wud u feel if ur best friend, say Kavi, did that to u?
Anyways tnxx n HUGGGGGGGGZ!
Keshi.
hmm ya i know wat u mean...:(
but then .. dont leave a bad taste in her mouth thats wat i wud say.. and may be u shud take her to some KESHI rehab centre :p
lol
awww god bless her thats wat i wud say
hmmmmmmmmm
lolz Uttsy HUGGGGGGGGGZ!
Keshi.
BTW how r u.. my head is splitting 2de.. having a bad head ache n fever.. its raining cats n dogs here in mumbai.. phewww!
Uttsy isnt it raining roos over there? :)
Why headache? did too many hunks stare at u on the way to work? LOL!
awwww....
Keshi.
btw I had severe flu last week...im ok now. TC sweetz cos it's everywhere now.
Keshi.
i knw u wer not well i checked on u duh!! n i knw u r fine:P
hunks? no hunks... scarcity i guess.. lol thats y .. he he he
Keshi, i have stopped expecting any thing ....
and understand wht u wrote in ur reply ... i m fully wid ya on this
alok
jeez! and i thought I was strange.
but fuck that..i can never understand the NEED for friendship or for that matter any human relation.Things change Keshi and know what some people get too touchy when told "you've changed"..i don't understand,i mean people arent static.we chance,we all do.some have extremes and they are called bi-polars.but normal ppl change too.and its natural.i think the only place where it's static is the graveyard.so fuck 'em and fuck 'em all.Bible thumpers are whackos anyway.you move on too.and quick
From what you write about your friend, it sounds like there's an element of consideration - of "Christian charity" perhaps?? - that's lacking in her approach to you...
To me, it looks as though there are some people who consider themselves highly religious but what's going on with them might be more psychological than spiritual.
And in particular, that zeal to convert other people has always struck me as problematic in a couple of ways:
1. On the one hand, for some missionaries, so to speak, there's no doubt a genuine desire to prevent others from going to hell. On the other hand, they're ignoring the fact that you probably don't share their belief that you're going to hell if you don't convert to Christianity or to their particular version of Christianity. Many and I think most Christians, don't believe that you go to hell if you're non Christian. To me, there's something really kind of presumptuous about trying to "save" those who don't even share your belief that they're in danger!
2. My personal experience here suggests that the missionary zeal of some of these folks has a lot less to do with any real concern for others than their own psychology that's maybe a bit compulsive. The few times I've been approached by someone asking me "Do you accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Savior?" it was just plain socially inappropriate. In each case the person was barely acquainted with me and we hadn't gotten together for the purpose of talking religion. We didn't have the relationship in which the conversation (? - injunction?? -) made any sense. And I honestly didn't have a vibe, a sense, that the person was filled with tender compassion for me and genuine interest in my well being. It didn't feel like that. It felt like it was all about them.
hey sweetie.. ya its real hard. i know.. know wat.. one of my very best friend my roommate at col(though only 2 months cos i shifted to another college n course after that) is now here in the same city as me. i tried to contact her thru so many means thru orkut, thru other friends tried to get her number.. but she just wudn;t talk to me. i have no idea y. n it simple eats me upp.. we used to be in touch thru letters for over a yr after i left ut then suddenly no news. i was so pleased to know she lives here in dallas. but guess she doesnt value my fiendship at all..n its like a dagger in my heart :(((
y do ppl hurt us so much.. who gave them the right to.. or r v the ones soo fools to feel like crying?? hugs to u sweetie..
Hiya Keshi..Read two of ur posts.Can relate to what u feelin at this hour and to what extent your anger/fumes are taking it's toll over you. But trust me it's not worth it..Just not worth it. One can't force their frnship or love on anyone...Can you?
If it really mattered to 'em or in ur case her, she would have relaized it long back and been by your side. U r hurtin urself while the other person doesn't care a less. Is that frnship all about? It defeats the purpose of givin even a name to such a relationship.
I have seen people change..Change not only overtime but in a matter of few seconds. Some ppl learn it hard way and u and some like me are among one of them. For a change tink about URSELF..If things have to fall in place, they will eventually..It's her loss is she doesn't realise di imp. of ur frnship..Tkare gurl..
It was a thing I too faced with my very close dear. I was like there is no holiday without her and for her also, but after sometimes, she maintains herself away from me. Even here too the faith crosses, as she was studying in the school that gives more important on faith and spreading of faith. Still now wonders me how her heart allows for this.
Eeek, I've heard Jehovah's witness is actually a cult.. so maybe that's why things have gotten so weird for y'all... I hope that she doesn't get pulled into anything too crazy! And I'm so sorry for you for your loss.
Hugz!
it has happened to me..too bad though! i cherish the memories.
a teacher once said....give a chance for someone to change. don't look for your past...because you'll never go back to those days.
lolz Uttsy cmon India cant be short of SRK-like hunks?
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Alok me too...I hv stopped all kind sof expectations now...even basic ones :)
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Ashes oii HUGGGGGGGZ! :)
**i can never understand the NEED for friendship or for that matter any human relation
well I know wut u mean now...slowly Im losing the need for it too. but I still need some LOVING :)
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Paul ty so much for being here and commenting on this subject! WONDERFUL.
**To me, there's something really kind of presumptuous about trying to "save" those who don't even share your belief that they're in danger!
Spot on!
**It felt like it was all about them.
well-said!
Thats exactly how I see it too. Cos if it was abt US, then why wud they try to convert us to THEM?
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Diya I so know that feeling...
**. i was so pleased to know she lives here in dallas. but guess she doesnt value my fiendship at all..
thats slack...is she in some JW thingy now? :)
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ty Annie!
**One can't force their frnship or love on anyone...Can you?
I agree..thats so true!
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hi Jeevan Im sorry to hear abt ur friend n u :( Its sad.
**Still now wonders me how her heart allows for this.
well cos some ppl's hearts dun beat the same way as our's...
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yes Javagirl I think they r a cult....it worries me.
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Dalicia hey tnxx!
**give a chance for someone to change. don't look for your past...because you'll never go back to those days.
aww thats so true!
Keshi.
Some people do change but they are not sure whether the change is for the best....
ahh years is too long anyway
Diva true...
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Hugggggggggz Aditi!
Keshi.
I got the write word to describe her - Anchorite!!
Hi Keshi....
the hardest part's gotta be the actual "good-bye", especially since a message from her could pop up in your inbox any time in the next 1-50 yeras.
Did you resist the urge to combat her apparent "superiority" with some sort of dig? "Well, good luck then with the JW. For your sake, I hope you'll have ended up being right about it!"
A long, deep breath / sigh, and I guess you move on.
hey Annie!
**Anchorite
means? :)
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Brian ty!
the fact that she didnt reply to my last email still leaves me hanging...like u said mebbe she'd reply in another 20yrs? :)
Keshi.
yo keshi, i do follow Catholic faith but i don t use faith as an excuse with regards to friendship. and the worse thing is that when such frenz become insensitive and don t reciprocate to yr feelings... its like they don t realise their mistake... if they can t realise their mistake, when will they realise it??? its good that u let go off her... otherwise u will end up hurting yrself... take care keshi and try to get over this episode :)
My_Life ty!
**if they can t realise their mistake, when will they realise it?
so true...they r always pointing fingers at us!
Keshi.
I can relate to you gal! My best friend stopped meeting me, talking to me etc without any reason(that I could think of), any excuse or explanation!
Sharon seems to be very depressed! I mean this is what we call "Anhedonia"- lack of ability to enjoy things which the person enjoyed before.
She needs help.......
I hope she gets back to normal again.
ty Varsha!
** lack of ability to enjoy things which the person enjoyed before.
true..thats what she is like right now!
Keshi.
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